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Four Dead in Shootings Near Casa Grande, Arizona
Associated Press ^ | November 4, 2003 | Staff

Posted on 11/04/2003 10:49:35 AM PST by richardtavor

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CASA GRANDE, Ariz.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: casagrandemassacre; illegalimmigration; immigration; montana; news; saddam; shooting; terrorist
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To: ConservativeMan55
Gray Davis would greet them with driver licenses and new names.

So would Dammit-Janet Napolitano if she had her way. As we speak, she is entertaining El Presedente RAT...er...FOX figuring out new ways to look the other way as these illegals invade our border.

41 posted on 11/04/2003 3:15:37 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: Cyber Liberty
It bugs me they found one of the cars abandoned in Chandler. I wonder exactly where?

Actually I heard it was around I-10/Elliot area, a little north.

42 posted on 11/04/2003 3:18:56 PM PST by kstewskis (don't get me started....)
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To: HiJinx
No problem, just wanted to make sure you saw it. Be lucky you have conceal carry, we don't in Ohio.

Stay safe FRiend. :)
43 posted on 11/04/2003 3:56:20 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Well, I was stuck in traffic forever at Elliot, but alas, that was just one of the shot up vehicles. I read elsewhere that the vehicle with the shooters was found near Riggs Road and I-10. They caught the guys in the "desert."
44 posted on 11/04/2003 4:06:27 PM PST by hoyaloya
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To: FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; 4.1O dana super trac pak; ...
Close the Borders Ping!
45 posted on 11/04/2003 7:08:24 PM PST by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: snippy_about_it
Stay safe FRiend. :)

Absolutely. Promise!

46 posted on 11/04/2003 7:41:35 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: HiJinx
We spent a few weeks in Florence a few years back when an uncle passed away. The neighbors were complaining about having to lock everything up because the illegal aliens were "stealing them blind". They weren't used to locking their doors or their cars, but things were changing then.

We had the same situation in Orange (California) ten years ago. Any time the illegals move near a neighborhood they'll steal anything that's not bolted down, and the automobile hit-and-run incidents soar. Of course they only come to work....

47 posted on 11/04/2003 7:41:55 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: abigail2; DumpsterDiver
PING to close the borders.
48 posted on 11/04/2003 7:43:52 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Slip18
As decent as the citizens of that town are, I'm surprised.

No, I'm not. The truck stops and the towns are totally separate entities.

There's a Flying J at Exit 208 that has the best gas prices between Lordsburg and Phoenix. I used to gas up there all the time. I don't anymore, there are too many 'taxis' full of Hispanics who make me real nervous.
49 posted on 11/04/2003 7:46:11 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: snopercod
I spent a day passing through it.:)
50 posted on 11/04/2003 10:52:54 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you don't like change, you're going to like irrelevance even less.")
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To: richardtavor


51 posted on 11/05/2003 12:35:50 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Semper911
See what happens when you renig on paying them?
52 posted on 11/05/2003 12:38:12 AM PST by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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To: Squantos
I don't know the details of this incident but we have illegals waking up dead in the desert every week. Last week there was a pickup truck chased into the desert and when final found (sans occupants) it had 1200 pounds of marijuana in the bed. What the news media didn't report but showed up on video was that the dope was packaged in those homemade back-packs...the mules ferry the dope across in payment for their passage to the coyotes...once in a while rival coyotes try to steal each others dope and try to steal each others mules to ransom back to their families, and once in a while, they just like to kill each other.
53 posted on 11/05/2003 8:25:14 AM PST by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969))
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To: in the Arena

No reason for any illegal to do such with Gray Davis on the job........Maybe they should put up billboards with this info in mexico so the mules don't become a dead jackass.

Go to Mexifornia land of the criminal, ect ect.....

Stay Safe !

54 posted on 11/05/2003 8:34:46 AM PST by Squantos (Fitzgutentite is not german for virgin.........is it ?)
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To: Squantos
That's great!!!
55 posted on 11/05/2003 8:37:50 AM PST by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969))
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To: in the Arena
If the illegals weren't so eager for the big drug smuggling money, there wouldn't be this massacre going on.
56 posted on 11/05/2003 9:05:17 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ; Squantos; richardtavor
True. It's big business in AZ...More here, check out the Disturbing Trend

gif http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1105freewayshoot.html

4 held in I-10 shooting deaths

Federal help sought after 4 die in smuggler attack

Senta Scarborough and Chris Fiscus
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 5, 2003 12:00 AM

A freeway shooting Tuesday involving feuding immigrant smugglers left four dead and crime scenes stretching from Casa Grande to the Ahwatukee Foothills.

The ambush left the dead scattered across the Interstate 10 median, sent helicopters searching for immigrants who fled into the desert and created a nine-hour traffic bottleneck as the westbound lanes of I-10 were shut down.

Local authorities, who called the incident "a rolling gunfight," asked for federal help to curb a trend of violent attacks involving immigrant smugglers.

"This appears to be a load of undocumented aliens that was being hijacked or kidnapped from another group of smugglers," Pinal County Sheriff Roger Vanderpool said. "It was clearly retaliation and to send a message."

The smugglers who were attacked near Casa Grande had kidnapped the immigrants from the assailants in southern Pinal County, he said.



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The suspected shooters later caught up to the other group about 8:30 a.m. as the smugglers headed toward Phoenix in a two-vehicle convoy.

They opened fire from a van, killing four and injuring five others. The two vehicles carried 24 people.

"They were really bold and really brazen to drive on the interstate and start shooting individuals," Vanderpool said. "We need help from the federal government."

The shooting grabbed national media attention and came on the same day that Mexican President Vicente Fox visited Phoenix to discuss, among other topics, the trafficking in undocumented immigrants from Mexico.

Vanderpool said four suspects, all Hispanic men, were in custody. They were traveling in a gray minivan and were taken into custody near I-10 and Riggs Road.

Three assault-style weapons were found inside the van. No weapons were found in the other two vehicles, and there was no evidence that any of the victims returned fire.

At least 18 people were in a pickup, which had 28 bullet holes, all from large- and small-caliber assault-style weapons. Authorities said the entire episode lasted 20 minutes.

None of the suspects or the dead was identified by late Tuesday. Three of the five wounded remained hospitalized Tuesday night.

"One of our agents found a guy with his toe blown off, his toe still in his hand," said Kyle Barnett, associate special agent in charge for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The bureau put 40 agents and a Black Hawk helicopter into the desert to look for those who fled the scene. At least 11 undocumented immigrants linked to the incident were later found near Sacaton and detained.

"Everybody that's been interviewed so far has claimed to be a Mexican citizen who is in this country illegally," Barnett said.

Disturbing trend

Barnett said highway hijacking aimed at smugglers and immigrants has become "a disturbing trend." It typically involves two hit vehicles and armed assailants.

"This is not the first time we're seeing this. It's a tactic that dopers used for ripping off loads," he explained. "They just carjack and steal the aliens, then hold them hostage until somebody pays."

Barnett said those involved are especially vicious criminals. While smugglers and illegal immigrants may have broken the law, top priority in this case will be catching and prosecuting the rip-off specialists.

Tactics used in the drug trade now are being used in human trafficking, and the impact is being felt far from the border. A local group recently landed a $1 million federal grant to launch the Arizona League to End Regional Trafficking, citing the problem in the state. The concern may be heightened after Tuesday's shooting.

Rundown of events

Authorities gave the following account:

About 8:30 a.m., a brown pickup truck and a green SUV were together, headed west toward Phoenix. A gray minivan pulled alongside and opened fire at milepost 180, just north of Casa Grande.

About a mile down the road, the pickup pulled over and several occupants fled into the desert. Four people were dead at the scene, including the driver.

The driver of the SUV also was shot. He got out of the vehicle, and a passenger grabbed the wheel and drove off without him.

Department of Public Safety and immigration authorities stopped the vehicle a few minutes later near Elliot Road. Five people were still in the SUV, a woman who was shot and four men who were uninjured. Windows on the vehicle were shot out.

Soon after, Gila River Indian Community police discovered the minivan on the dirt shoulder of Riggs Road, a few hundred yards west of I-10. A short time later, the four suspects were found in the desert and taken into custody.

As the incident unfolded, traffic from the south backed up, causing an accident that injured three people, one seriously.

Randy Karrer, 42, was in serious but "stable" condition after his SUV was rear-ended by a tractor-trailer. Karrer, operations chief for the Northwest Fire District, which serves an area north and west of Tucson, was headed to Phoenix for a meeting.

The tractor-trailer driver, Douglas Siegworth, 46, of New Mexico, was uninjured. Karrer's vehicle then hit a car driven by Roberto Benavides, 43, from California. He and a passenger, Stanley Rackow, 88, suffered minor injuries and were treated and released.

Several agencies spent the day at the various scenes, searching for evidence, trying to identify the dead and injured, and trying to piece together who was smuggling and who was being smuggled.

Vanderpool also repeated the plea for federal help, especially for rural agencies with strained manpower and budgets.

"We have enough homegrown crime without having to deal with immigration," he said. "It's a battle for turf, just like any drug cartel battling for turf in the drug trade. This is a battle in the struggle for human beings."



Reporters Dennis Wagner and Niusha Faghih contributed to this article.

Reach the reporter at senta.scarborough@arizonarepublic.com or (602) 444-7937.






57 posted on 11/05/2003 9:46:22 AM PST by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969))
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To: in the Arena; Travis McGee
assault-style weapons were found inside the van

Now we have this tid bit.......... "assault style"

Stay Safe ......!

58 posted on 11/05/2003 10:04:55 AM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........OR I"LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: Squantos
Uh-oh!
59 posted on 11/05/2003 10:12:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HiJinx
This is the second thread on this topic...I think I'm going to take Slip18's advice (even though it wasn't meant for me) and go get my Concealed Carry permit.

I think it is time for me to do it too. Let me know which CCW class you're taking and when and maybe we can do this together.

60 posted on 11/05/2003 10:13:23 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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