Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat

Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

[tubavil]

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. ?The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.?

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by ?your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami?.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens? place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network?s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands ? understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

Link to Thread 2

[Letitring]

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure have been eating alot, lately. Nerves?

[Cindy]

Nerves.
No.
Winter.
Yes.
Eat More?
Yes.
Spring.
No.
I'm outdoors
away from food.

[liberallyconservative]

Thanks, WCG!

[jstolzen]

PTTTTT, don't I remember seeing this name involved with Global Crossings?

Yep. Li Ka Shing owns Hutchison Whampoa. They and Singapore Telemedia (STT) bid on GX. There were concerns about Ka Shing being involved in the world's only "true" worldwide network that carries DOD traffic. So, Ka Shing pulled out, tho MANY suspect he is highly involved "behind the scenes" with STT (who now owns something like 62% of GX).

[jstolzen]

My point was simply that looking at all of the material from EOM and what had been said by and about him/her/them/it did not pass my smell test.

I agree wholeheartedly.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why some of us (me included, initially, tho I am backing off on this now) have been SO concerned with "EOM" and his/her posts/JPGs.

I, too, have been involved with the 'net since it's inception. And I also have seen STRANGE things that have no bearing to reality.

IMHO, we are all paying WAY too much attention to "EOM", who doesn't even have to register with the board he posts on. I could go there RIGHT NOW and create a post with the name "EOM". So why are we all even spending a few seconds of our valuable time talking about posts over there? I just don't get the fascination/concern.

If AQ comes out DIRECTLY, via a credible source (eg: Al Jazeera) and makes a DIRECT threat, I will take it seriously.

EOM does not fall into that category in my book. For all we know, he/she is a pimply faced teenager yankin' some chains.

The gov't is on Yellow. IF there were nukes (no doubt there may be, but I don't think so now), we would be at RED. Can you guys imagine the HUGE political fallout of not being? This ALONE makes me think the nuke angle is BUNK, tho I do not discount the possibility of these AT SOME POINT (just not now) falling into the hands of AQ via corrupt Soviet black market forces.

[Letitring]

Works for me, and I certainly, absolutely hope you are right. :)

[jstolzen]

Based on current events and what info is available, the 'first wave' of the attack was thwarted. I guessing the 'second wave' will arrive when the clock runs out.

Ok, guys..why are we giving SO much credence to a Script that any first year computer science student could have created on any website - anywhere?

IMHO, this is a gag. (Not a very funny one, but a gag).

[Domestic Church]

The potassium iodide pills are specifically for the thyroid and nothing else. You should be told (have batteries for your radio and know your local emergency stations) if it is appropriate to take them. The worst thing that can happen if you don't take them and the specific thyroid endangering radiation zaps you is that you will end up taking thyroid medicine for the rest of your life after some thyroid surgery.

Consider just getting a bottle of betadine scrub from your pharmacy (Hershey Medical Center had a study on this alternate way of getting the iodide) ...if you ever need it you can coat one arm from shoulder to hand and your body will absorb the right amount for your size. Betadine scrub is a rusty colored surgical scrub...if you ever had surgery and had some dark orange red stain around the suture site you've had it on you.

Very Important: If you have shellfish/shrimp allergies or lots of allergies in general, don't take the pills and don't use the betadine scrub until you speak with your physician. I have seen patients severely react to imaging contrast mediums containing iodide.

I am concerned folks think these pills are going to really protect them from all radiation...it is only a specific form and they only protect the thyroid (now if we can only prevent the cataracts from developing.)

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1057404/posts

Charges laid over jihad web site
Was based in Montreal

U.S. authorities filed criminal charges yesterday against a Saudi student who ran a Montreal-based Internet site that was allegedly used to recruit and raise money for Islamic terrorists.

Charges of providing material support to terrorism were filed in U.S. District Court in Boise against Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, 34, a computer student at the University of Idaho.

[Letitring]

No, I understand what it's for. I'm not even getting it for myself. I have friends who, most likely, won't do any of these things, for themselves, who do live in harms way, and WILL accept things from me, as gifts, and will use them, if necessary. At least this way, I'll know I did everything I can do to help.

[jstolzen]

And if someone has one of those nukalerts (or similar), but no dosimeter, what would the consequences be?

I thought the Nuk-Alert would tell you how much Rotegens you are being exposed to *at any given moment* via the # of "chirps" (plus or minus).

It would be up to the user (as I understand it) to keep track of your total exposure time. (Eg: if you're in the midst of 50R+, you DEFINITELY want to get out in < 3 hours to avoid total intake of 150R or more - which if I remember correctly [?] is where real health problems begin).

I do plan on ordering one of these (tomorrow) and maybe a CFM as well.

[ZOTnot]

Wasn't there an ealier thread and post by someone claiming that Betadine lathered up on one's arm could also serve as protection? Would this protect more than just the thyroid? Was the medical information accurate and dependable? (Seemingly Betadine is easier to find here than Potassium Iodine)...

[Revel]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=9928#9928

[Domestic Church]

Wise Daddy!

If you ever have to use those supplies, know there will be plenty of prayers going up.

[ZOTnot]

Yes, thanks! I didn't wait long enough. It is in post 9928 also, but I am glad FReepers keep up with these things. There is too much information to remember and to try to work 8 hours per day as well...

[liberallyconservative]

In honor of 2 months and 10,000 posts, it's time for another THREAD SUMMARY:

1. Al Qaeda threats to NY, LA & Washington, DC grew to include other major US cities, including but not limited to Las Vegas, Detroit, Chicago, etc. We must all remain vigilant, wherever we live.

2. Initial fears of other 9/11 style attacks involving airplanes remain, but we cannot be focused on that possibility alone.

3. US Gov't. concerns have grown to include the possibility of nuclear/chemical/biological attacks. Be alert and BE PREPARED.

4. Intel has also raised the possibility of attacks at sea, and has pointed out our vulnerability at our ports and along our coastlines. If you live in such an area, be alert.

5. Our borders continue to leak like a sieve. We need to pay attention (and we need to voice our concerns to anyone who will listen.)

6. Many thefts of late have our spidey senses tingling: thousands of gallons of gasoline, a tanker truck, a plane stolen last year remains unaccounted for, along with numerous uniforms and badges/IDs are cause for concern. Pay attention; if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't.

7. Lax security at our nuclear plants and small airports is inexcusable, and continues to be pointed out. Be vigilant.

8. Numerous earthquakes have occurred around the world, with many lives lost. So far, that's one thing the terrorists have been unable to take credit for. (Although they are claiming an airplane crash in Egypt which remains suspicious.)

9. When cruising this thread, take special note of Cindy's posts with links (updated daily, & usually in red, for easy identification.) A comprehensive wealth of knowledge where you'll find almost everything you need to know. And to complete the package, take note of Pegita's prayers.

10. Last but certainly not least, make a point of seeking out any and all posts by NW Arizona Granny. Down-home survival tips delivered in an inimitable style, with lots of homespun wisdom thrown in for good measure. She's a treasure, and a welcome addition to this thread.

Well, that's all folks. Be prepared and be alert. Arm yourselves with knowledge, for to be forewarned is to be forearmed. But do not live in fear, for if we cower in the corners, then we cede victory to those who would do us harm.

Instead, be thankful for all we enjoy in this wonderful land of ours. Go now and take the hand of a loved one, step outside into the chill night air, look up into the wonderment of God's evening sky, share a hug and say a prayer. A prayer of thankfulness for all we have, and for those who protect it.

[StillProud2BeFree]

Fox News interviewed a intelligence expert the other night who is close friends with a Saudi prince. He spoke of the prince describing how the forty-something-ish Saudi upper middle class is frightened of their children. He said that the prince would check on his daughter, and she would be listened to Brittney Spears music, but the second she thought he was out of sight she was listening to jihadi music again.

Saudi Arabia has a serious problem with the radicalization of their young people, from thirty-ish and under. Basically everyone generation X and less.

The rulers in Saudi Arabia are getting up in years. The moderates are in their forties and fifties for the most part. The generation X'ers and younger are to a large degree radicalized. But unlike in many countries, the radicalized youth are NOT the underclass. These guys are for the most part VERY wealthy. They have money. To a large degree they are are indulged and spoiled.

These kids, for lack of a better word, are for the most part educated and cultured. There is no way to know from here how extensively the extremist have inflitrated the Saudi institutions - but these guys would fit in perfectly. After all, they are next to members of the same family, tribe, community, people they went to school with, and so on. They will fit in as long as it serves their purpose.

Also there is a huge area of the country call the Rub Al Khali - the empty quarter. It pretty much has nothing but sand dunes there. It is occupied by bedoiun nomads - tribal kinsmen to many of these extremist, who would almost certainly offer them hospitality and shelter. You could just about hide an army in the Rub Al Khali.

The fundamentalism is centered in Saudi Arabia. I believe it springs from four root causes. The first is a reaction to the Islamic revolution in Iran. Saudi Arabia, until the formation of the Islamic Republic of Iran, saw itself the world's only Islamic state. Once Iran was declared an Islamic state, the Saudi's had a problem. Remember that Iran is largely Shiite Moslems, while Saudi Arabia is largely populated by followers of Sunni Islam. So Saudi Arabia, as the keeper and protector of Mecca and Medina, had to "out-Islam" Iran. To do this, they set up and funded madrassas, encouraged study groups, and generally cracked down on any western ideas and independent thought (at least within the kingdom). That was problem number one. That set the scene for a generation to be educated by the Islamic clerics.

The second element was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a country largely populated by Moslems. In keeping with their mission of the “Guardians of Islam”, the Saudi’s used part of their oil wealth to arm a group of mercenaries (led by Osama Bin Laden) to help the Afghans repel the Soviet invasion. (Before you jump on the Saudi's too hard, remember how much US money went to help fund Osama and his merry men.) These mercenaries became known as “mujahadeen”, or freedom fighters, taking their names from the fighters who helped the prophet Mohamed spread early Islam.

OK so you've got two elements in place right there - you've got a generation of young men trained by the clerics, militarized, and now the war is over. What happens next?

Well, that's where element number 3 comes into play, at least in my analysis of the scenario. Since the creation of Israel, the Arab countries have been quite vocal in their hatred for the Jewish state. Up until the late 1970's it wasn't quite so bad because of the technology gap but by 1980 EVERYONE in the middle east had a TV and VCR in their home. (I mean just about everyone - I went out into the desert in Sinai one afternoon and visited with a lovely bedouin family - got some spectacular photos of the native dress if anyone is interested, but I digress - these people who lived in tents had a VCR and TV in their tent! Except for the TV and VCR they could have lived 500 years ago!)

Anyway, with the advent of 24 hour news coverage, 24 hour TV, and the MTV generation in general, the anti-Israeli rhetoric reached a new level. I think this current phase of Islamic fundamentalism actually dates to the first Intifada. Anyway you've got people up to 20 or 30 years old (and all the way down to infants) who have been reared on the death to Israel, death to America (the Great Satan) line. In other words, these governments have bred and encouraged the hatred - and now the hatred is turning back on them.

And the fourth element is that I truly believe the Saudi ruling family, until recently, has been wearing blinders about the extent of the radicalization of their youth. It seems obvious to us now - but did we really realize it prior to 9/11? (We SHOULD have been painfully aware of it after the Beirut hijacking in the late 1980's and after mobs marched in the streets shouting Death to America but we had our blinders on too.)

Remember the Saudi ruling family is talking about their grandkids and great grandkids and neices and nephews and other members of their tribe. The concept of tribe - of extended family - if very very powerful in the Arab world, and I'm not sure that we as Americans truly understand that.

The Saudi government has a serious problem.

And with the American dependence on foreign oil from the Middle East, when the Saudi government has a problem we have a problem. I don't know what the US would do if Al Qaeda staged a coup and took over the government. I imagine if they placed any of our most wanted terrorist in charge of the government we would probably move for regime change rather quickly. How extensive are our oil reserves? I'd be building them up if I were in charge I think. I've asked the same question of someone who is more knowledgable than I on the subject and I was told that they believed the US would move to secure our facilities and the oil fields.

I tend to agree with that analysis. I'm not sure the US would be allowed to do so. I imagine the UN wouldn't be too thrilled. The real question is how would Russia and China react? What about those countries that were supposedly entering into a nuclear arms pact with the Saudi's?

And the wild card would, as always, be Israel. Right now they are the only country the US can count on in the region.

I would assume that this scenario, and all its different potentialities, have been played out in DC. I certainly hope it has. Because no matter how much you point out the lack of rights of women in Saudi Arabia, and the human rights abuses, it is still a pink tea party compared to life under the Taliban in Afghanistan or even the Ayatullah's in Iran.

I was always taught revolution is bad, evolution is good. Gradual change allows social changes to keep pace; sudden changes bring the potential for catastrophe.

On to Pakistan... Pakistan has a different problem in my opinion. Funamentalism in Saudi Arabia is at the corporate office, so to speak. In Pakistan, it is franchised out, and their are many different interest groups working for different agendas. Take a look at the history of the Indian subcontinent - the concept of nationalism is still new to Pakistan. Pakistan has not been stable politically in its history and I don't expect it to start now. But right now it has to deal with the foreign elements and I'm not sure how they handle it. I'm not as familiar with Pakistan and the subcontinent so I'm going to stop here and defer to someone with more knowledge and experience.

Hope this helps answer your questions. Sorry about it being so long.

[Letitring]

WOW and thankseversomuch. :)

[eastforker]

I had no idea the implications of my previous post, I am not religious but please L.ord don't let it happen

[Domestic Church]

Give them some benadryl with it... just in case. These potassium iodide pills would be taken under duress...allergies flair under duress.