Posted on 10/31/2003 10:31:18 AM PST by hsmomx3
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
CHANDLER - Holy Trinity Lutheran Church quietly has shared its sanctuary with Muslims for more than a year. Saturday it will be the site of a Ramadan dinner to raise money for construction of a mosque.
"We are thankful for them," Muslim Arif Kazmi said of the Lutherans. "They are very nice people; we are knowing more about each other."
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That has been experience also when talking to Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientist, etc.
When the Scriptures disagree with their theology, they pull out the "Scriptures are corrupt in that particular verse" game.
Even most Protestants play a similar game by rejecting some of the 73 books of the Bible accepted by Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
Singling out the Muslims for playing the cafeteria game with the Bible is not very convincing.
The Catholic Church, therefore, recognizes that Protestants, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God as Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
I agree with the Catholic Church Catechism.
Ummm....how do we decide when to celebrate Easter?
I don't think this is in the same league. Prior to "canonization" of New Testament scriptures by either Protestants or Catholics, some of the books studied were thought to be good but not at the same level of inspiration as the apostolic works.
Protestants merely canonized the works that were clearly apostolic in origin. That the Catholics later canonized the apocrapha, including some books that were not apostolic or whose origins were in doubt, should not be construed as Protestants picking and choosing to suit themselves.
Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Catholic and Orthodox Christian worship the same God.
I just posted the official Catholic position.
Since Protestants and Catholic have never agreed on certain theological issues for centuries, there is nothing I can say to convince you.
You can always demonize any religion by selecting quoting and biased reporting of its beliefs.
I knew it couldn't have been Missouri Synod, they are pretty solid.
The quotes clearly show that the truth claims made by Jesus declare the God of the Bible to be unique and cannot be confused with the Muslim Allah, inspite of any ecumenical desire to equate the two. Jesus said "...God must be worship'd in spirit and in truth." Truth. If the worship is not "in truth", then it's a different object of worship.
What is in a name? We use the English word for God "God", not the Greek work "Theos" or the Latin "Deus" or Hebrew "Jehovah". Yet, all these different words refer to the same object, God. In contrast the Mormons refer to god using the same word "god", but it is clear that they are refering to a different object, one who produced a spirit child "Jesus" as well as his spirit brother "Lucifer". In their theology God the father and Jesus are not the same God but different gods.
Muslim's reject that Jesus is God. (John 1) How can Muslims worship God when they deny Him?
Eventually, the Arians lost control of the Church, and Trinitarians declared the Arians to be the apostates.
Since Christians cannot agree to how many books are in the Bible, it's not surprising that they also disagree about the Trinity.
Today, Arians, Unitarians, and several American non-trinitarian sects are a minority among the Christian community.
One more time, I'm not here to defend the quirky theology of religions not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
I have posted the official Catholic position, and I stand by it: both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
If you want to argue theological quirks, you can go to the religion forum on this website. There are plenty of interesting threads there.
I was not debating the "trinity." I was presenting the diety of Christ as an insurmountable obstacle to equating Muslim "Allah" and God the Bible.
Since Christians cannot agree to how many books are in the Bible, it's not surprising that they also disagree about the Trinity.
Another diversion. Clearly the Protestant and Catholic Bibles both have the Gospel of John which I mentioned.
One more time, I'm not here to defend the quirky theology of religions not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
Maybe a good burning is in order.
I have posted the official Catholic position, and I stand by it: both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
As a protestant I prefer a careful examination of scripture. Sola scriptura.
If you want to argue theological quirks, you can go to the religion forum on this website. There are plenty of interesting threads there.
It is intellectually dishonest to prompt a discussion and then bale in this fashion.
I provided you with examples of several denominations that call themselves Christians and don't accept your version of the deity of Christ.
As a protestant I prefer a careful examination of scripture. Sola scriptura.
The Jehovah's Witnesses claim that their doctrines are based on Sola scriptura , and they disagree with your version of Christ's deity. So do the Unitarians, the Christadelphians, the Dawn Bible Students who produced the radio show "Frank and Ernest."
Apparently, your "insurmountable obstacle" has been conquered many times.
One more time, I'm not going to defend other religions; I'm just posting the official position of the Roman Catholic Church.
I agree with the Catholic Church Catechism when it states that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
I'm not here to convince Protestants. We have to agree to disagree on religious issues. This section of Free Republic is mainly devoted to discuss politics, but Jim Robinson has provided a whole forum for Religion.
The Never Ending Story threads have dealt with all your arguments already thousand of times . Please go there to argue religion.
It's not my version. It's the Bible's version: John 1:1ff "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being which has come into being." It's pretty hard to deny the deity of Christ from this beginning of the Gospel of John. John is saying that He is the Creator.
Apparently, your "insurmountable obstacle" has been conquered many times.
Not conquered. Darkness simply does not comprehend it. John 8:52 "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'" The Jews understood the significance of this claim--they picked up stones to kill Him for his blasphemy.
I'm not asking you to defend other religions, just your defense of the quirky statement that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Muslim Allah. Jesus said "If you had known Me, you would have known my Father also." One could create a bumper sticker: "No Jesus, No Father; Know Jesus, Know Father." The inescapable conclusion is that the Muslims "do not know God." Again, Jesus says "God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth." Cleary one must know the object of worship, or what's the worth of it?
Over 1 billion Christians accept the Catholic Church Catechism as an orthodox summary of the Christian teachings.
And the Catholic Church Catechism teaches us that Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God.
Protestants are in disagreement among themselves about this issue.
You seem to represent a Protestant offshoot that does not believe that Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same God. You have the right the believe anything you want in America, and you have the Christian freedom to believe what your conscience tells you is the right interpretation of a biblical passage.
I disagree with your interpretation of the Bible, as well as millions of Christians. My conscience tells me that the Catholic Church Catechism is in harmony with the biblical teaching.
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