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Unless you're a hunter, lose your handgun
The Keystone ^ | 10/31/2003 | Dan Sanders

Posted on 10/31/2003 6:44:18 AM PST by jdege

Unless you're a hunter, lose your handgun

Recently, Shorty's began frisking individuals and using metal detectors to ensure safety. Will this cause students to stop going out?

By Dan Sanders, Opinions Writer, The Keystone

This weekend, I discovered a new special at Shorty's. it's called the "Oh my god, I'm going to get shot!" And it's absolutely free.

On a routine, ordinary drinking binge this weekend, I stumbled on over to Shorty's. Upon entering the local hangout, I was asked for my ID, even though my hairline clearly broadcasts my legality.

Then, suddenly, another bouncer grabs me and frisks me with a metal detector. "Oh, no," I thought. "I hope I didn't bring my bomb." No, I don't own a bomb. How about my knives, guns or infamous Sword of Doom? No, no, no. Do I even want to drink there any longer? No, no, no.

Here's the problem. I'm all behind the idea of frisking everyone that walks through the door. The frightening thing isn't the precaution; it's the apparent need for that precaution. Does that mean that The Pub is now a runoff spot for Kutztown gun nuts?

It's terrifying to think this is a real problem. There are actually people out there who feel they should carry a gun to a place where they plan to drink alcohol in large quantities. I used to worry about getting clipped by drunk drivers on the weekends. Now, I have to worry about drinking and drive bys.

The craziest part is that if someone is stupid enough to take a gun to a bar, they should be allowed to ever carry a gun. There should be a rule where you can't have a gun and drink ever, ever again. If you want to kill stuff with a tiny cannon, you should have all of your faculties available to you at all times.

Besides, if you're so concerned about your health that you need to defend it with a gun, what the hell are you doing in a bar?

While there's no reason to carry a gun in the first place, there's even less of a reason to take one with you when you're drinking. There's no other purpose in carrying a gun to a bar than killing a stranger who stepped on your shoe, or caused you some other small inconvenience ("I SAID NO ICE!"). That is not a good reason. There are a hundred reasons not to carry a gun into a bar, most of which deal with the lack of logic behind it.

First of all, there isn't any game in a bar. You'll never be out drinking and decide to do some random hunting. At no point will there ever be a deer hitting on your girlfriend, or a bear menacing the dance floor.

Also, we don't need to defend anything. There are no evildoers to ward off, wrongs to right or justice to uphold. Nobody is tied to train tracks, and the owner of Shorty's isn't a laser-wielding evil scientist.

England isn't going to invade Kutztown and claim it for the Queen. Even if they were, the government has all the army it needs. America has never lost a war because were short one man, six bullets and 62 IQ points from central Pennsylvania.

I was talking to a friend of mine about this situation, and it turns out that one of our friends is looking to get his carrier's permit. This is the permit that allows one and all to walk around with a handgun for no good reason. His angle was protection. The fear angle. The what-if-I'm-attacked-by-strangers-for-my-Velcro-wallet-that-contains-more-business-cards-than-dollars-I-have-a-free-bagel-coupon-in-there angle.

Based on the logic of protecting yourself from the imaginary demons that are going to beat you up at the bar, maybe you shouldn't leave the house. You should just stay at home, wrapped in blankets, and take vitamins until you're 90 years old.

There's no need to be this afraid for your wellbeing. By the same logic, I should start wearing a cup to the bar. I've never caught a swift one to the testicles at the bar before, but who knows what tomorrow holds. It could hold my testicles in my stomach. I'd better be safe and wear that cup, and a helmet, and I'd better start carrying that sword of Doom.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Here in Florida, I can take my concealed pistol into a restaurant, have a drink or two with dinner, and be perfectly legal, as long I don't migrate into the bar section of the establishment.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

81 posted on 10/31/2003 12:29:43 PM PST by wku man
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To: jdege
There's no need to be this afraid for your well being. By the same logic, I should start wearing a cup to the bar. I've never caught a swift one to the testicles at the bar before, but who knows what tomorrow holds. It could hold my testicles in my stomach.

I'd be glad to oblige.

82 posted on 10/31/2003 12:34:50 PM PST by hattend
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To: Delmarksman
Bingo.

The bar owners and the author are all anal retentive about patrons with concealed pistols, but they have no problem with these same impaired patrons operating multi-ton vehicle on thier way home.

Go figure.
83 posted on 10/31/2003 12:35:21 PM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: jdege
...other than to establish legal minefields to make life more difficult for permit holders.

I'm pretty sure I broke the law 8-10 times just on the way to work today. Time for a National Scofflaw Day.

84 posted on 10/31/2003 1:15:25 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: myheroesareDeadandRegistered; dead; Registered
Who is this guy, and why is he sucking up to you two, of all people?

OK, I'll admit that you guys are my hereos too. ;-)

85 posted on 10/31/2003 1:18:06 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
Actually, I have no idea, but he has excellent taste!
86 posted on 10/31/2003 1:23:49 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: an amused spectator
My handle? I love parody. I lurked around here for a couple of years and got more belly laughs from those two than just about anything else I've seen or read, anywhere.

Registered's pics are just as biting as Dead's comments/writings. Humor snipers, extraordinaire, they are.
87 posted on 10/31/2003 1:31:36 PM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"Hatred and bigotry I can handle, but pure incoherence is tough. "

Guess he wrote the article after a lot of research at the bar ;-)
88 posted on 10/31/2003 1:38:52 PM PST by battousai (What's the only thing more irrelavent than a RAT presidential candidate?.....France of course.)
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To: myheroesareDeadandRegistered
Humor snipers, extraordinaire, they are.

Yeah, I know - I'm just yanking their chains. ;-)

89 posted on 10/31/2003 2:11:17 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: ibheath
Don't need your help thanks. And don't need to be around clowns who think booze and guns mix fine.....give me my keys...I drive better after a few.
90 posted on 10/31/2003 2:11:35 PM PST by wtc911
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
I'm an NRA Instructor living in Miami. As I understand it from my friends in the State Attorney's office, bars have to be distinguished as a "Tavern" which does not offer food as a primary item of consumption. For example, "TGI Fridays" or "Bennigan's" are restaurants which have a separate bar area. If you are carrying lawfully (under permit) and eat in the restaurant area without approaching the BAR....you're good to go. If you eat at the bar, you're in violation. Myself, if I'm carrying, I'm strictly doing coffee or iced tea (sans any booze) for the duration of the evening. All of the folks I shoot with or are friends with are the same way. In fact, I know of damn few folks who are CCW permit holders who engage in any type of alcohol consumption while under arms.

Taking the time to get trained by a guy like me (okay, I'm a little bit extreme and go far beyond legal reqirements of the law in instructing my students for the CCW, including a mandatrory trip to the range) in order to obtain a Florida CCW permit, seems to indicate a modicum of responsibility in and of itself. You can't drink and be tactical at the same time. If you're carrying, you have to be in condition "yellow" all the time. It's got to be like breathing. A natural event. Drinking will turn your tactical switch to the "off" position. Might as well wear a neon sign that says "Drunk and incapacitated, please ROB ME"

91 posted on 10/31/2003 2:30:25 PM PST by ExSoldier (My other auto is a .45!)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
Good thing Luby's doesn't serve alcohol....
92 posted on 10/31/2003 2:36:03 PM PST by stands2reason (REWARD! Tagline missing since 10/21. Pithy, clever. Last seen in Chat. Sentimental value.)
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To: joesnuffy
Maybe he ought to read the crime reports from his own city sometime...

Don't be silly, Criminals only victimize other people... (/sarcasm)

93 posted on 10/31/2003 2:37:39 PM PST by stands2reason (REWARD! Tagline missing since 10/21. Pithy, clever. Last seen in Chat. Sentimental value.)
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To: myheroesareDeadandRegistered
When I saw your handle I just figured you admired Democrat voters.
94 posted on 10/31/2003 2:44:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jdege
Based on the logic of protecting yourself from the imaginary demons that are going to beat you up at the bar, maybe you shouldn't leave the house. You should just stay at home, wrapped in blankets, and take vitamins until you're 90 years old.

There's no need to be this afraid for your wellbeing. By the same logic, I should start wearing a cup to the bar. I've never caught a swift one to the testicles at the bar before, but who knows what tomorrow holds. It could hold my testicles in my stomach. I'd better be safe and wear that cup, and a helmet, and I'd better start carrying that sword of Doom.

If this writing sample is indicative of the author's true character, he shouldn't worry about a kick to his testicles unless he is lying on the floor with his mouth wide open.

95 posted on 10/31/2003 2:49:15 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Sabretooth
Being uninformed makes us all look bad.

And swilling beer while armed doesn't?

Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it right. Abortion comes to mind.

Thanks to people like you, legislators feel compelled to pass legislation to take the place of common sense.

96 posted on 10/31/2003 3:02:11 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: jdege
"suddenly, another bouncer grabs me..."

My Sensei would call this a moment of opportunity to practice the gentle art of Aikido. "Kotogaeshi" is amazingly effective in situations like this. Forget the firearm, beware the owner.

97 posted on 10/31/2003 3:05:27 PM PST by ExSoldier (My other auto is a .45!)
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To: Sabretooth

ITS LEGAL IN MINNESOTA!!!!!

As a matter of fact I had a couple beers while I was carrying last Friday.

Not a good idea.

If you weigh 200 pounds or less, two beers in an hour will put you over the legal limit for carrying, in Minnesota.

Have a coke, next time.

98 posted on 10/31/2003 4:50:21 PM PST by jdege
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To: jdege
Good Evening All-

Pennsylvania has been described as "Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other with AMERICA in-between..."

I've been to Shorty's years ago when my friends attended school there...it's right down the street from The Cliffs, where many Kutztown University students reside. Perhaps K.U. students should consider going to Basin Street if they are concerned about privacy invasion.

Finding holes in this story is hardly worth the typing. The author doesn't offer anything factual and introduces so-called "solutions" for "problems" that haven't identified themselves.

People who are perfectly fine with being "wanded" in public venues will also gladly accept random roadside searches, mandatory traveling papers, and embedded GPS chips under their skin. Hey, if these safety measures are for The ChildrenTM, it's worth it. [/barf]

~ Blue Jays ~

99 posted on 10/31/2003 8:43:32 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: jdege
Customer In Bar Charged With Shooting Would-Be Robber

... Person pointed a gun at a 68-year-old woman who was tending bar and said, "This is robbery. Nobody move. Give us the (expletive) money."

Moments later, bar customer Harold McKinney, 54, shot Person in the head, police said.

(Response #29) ... "Incidentally, the robbers threatened everyone in the bar not just the barmaid. I fired only after the robber held a gun to another patrons head and stated "I'm going to blow your f**kin brains out!"...

... Person is charged with two counts of aggravated robbery, and Hester is charged with one count of aggravated robbery.

McKinney, who is a member of the Northside Citizens On Patrol, is charged with having a weapon inside a liquor establishment and felonious assault.

(Response #203) ...A grand jury declined to indict Harold McKinney...

100 posted on 10/31/2003 9:24:25 PM PST by concentric circles
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