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Scientists find evolution of life
EurekAlert ^ | 10/30/03

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:04:39 PM PST by Dales

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To: jennyp
Glenn Morton's masterful examination of the Cambrian "explosion" claim,

Glenn Morton may be well known at home at dinner time, but whatever he claims is not credible evidence. There are over 40 phyla that arose during the Cambrian - none, zero, nada after it. Just because someone has a website does not mean that whatever he writes is evidence of anything. The evidence comes from fossils and the fossils are all in the Cambrian. Further, the evidence keeps piling on against evolution in this regard, a couple of years ago fish with vertebras and eyes were found in the Cambrian. Knowing what we know nowadays about genetics it is absolutely impossible for in the short period covered by the Cambrian for all these phyla to have arisen from totally unrelated phyla. This has not been seen in the entire period after the Cambrian, not a single new phyla has arisen since. To ask us to believe that in 5-10 million years all these evolved from each other is asking for too much gullibility.

101 posted on 10/30/2003 7:35:04 PM PST by gore3000 ("To say dogs, mice, and humans are all products of slime plus time is a mystery religion.")
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To: gore3000
But then you knew that already did you not?

Well, I suspected but didn't know for sure.

Punk eek of course actually says that transitional fossils between closely related species should be rare, not necessarily nonexistent. This is because most speciation happens when small populations breakaway from the larger population & get isolated. Mutations have a much better chance of taking over a small gene pool than a large one. When the breakaway population evolves into something more suited to its new environmental niche, new mutations are less likely to be beneficial, because it's already adapted to the new surroundings, thank you just the same. Plus it starts growing, and so even beneficial mutations would have a harder time taking over.

Also notice I said "transitionals between closely related species are rare". Gould especially has taken pains to point out that transitional species between closely related families & other higher taxa are abundant.

But then you... :-)

102 posted on 10/30/2003 7:35:38 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Shryke
When did evos become ... democratic - pluralistic --- I missed it !
103 posted on 10/30/2003 7:39:05 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: f.Christian
What the creator established is called ... creation --- what's so hard about that?

What something is called is not nearly as relevant as what that something really is. It is obviously hard for the human mind to comprehend things beyond superficial appearances (i.e. a perceived flat world and earth centered universe).

Did the creator establish evil, death, disease, sin, etc. Was this done by an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, perfect and good supreme being? If so, one of two things must not be true, He must not be all good or He must not be all powerful. Evil appears to be just as powerful as good (plus or minus a little) - and who created evil anyway? If man can exercise free will to choose between two powers, good (God) or evil (the devil) then there are two gods, two forces in the universe, not one as the Bible says. Does that make sense to you? Is it really that simple?

104 posted on 10/30/2003 7:40:02 PM PST by Semper
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To: VadeRetro
Scientific American is really going off the deep end. In a world covered with ice there could never have been the numerous marine life we know existed long before the Cambrian. -me-

The article is from Januay 2000, so they were going wherever almost four years ago now. It deals extensively with the freezing and killing effects of the glaciation, of course.

And both your statement above and what you posted evades completely my refutation above. There could have been no marine life - as we know there was (and as evolutionists themselves claim there was) if the oceans were covered with ice. So as I said, that article is ample proof of the depths of irrelevancy to which that journal has sunk while being guided by a raving evolutionist.

105 posted on 10/30/2003 7:41:54 PM PST by gore3000 ("To say dogs, mice, and humans are all products of slime plus time is a mystery religion.")
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To: gore3000; Jim Robinson
However, I am afraid you gave yourself away again. Creationism and creationist are words made up by evolutionists to attack the opponents of evolution. Those opponents most often call themselves Christians or ID'ers or just non-believers in evolution than creationists. If I were quickly looking for a thread opposing evolution for example I would look under intelligent design. This is just to show that it is quite hard to hide one's position. There are tell tale signs in most things one says.
Jim, did you put one of those transmorgrifier/conflagrator thingies on his account? He sees things no one else can see. If you did, please remove it. It would probably give this story a happier ending.

The other thread is here

106 posted on 10/30/2003 7:42:26 PM PST by Dales
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To: CobaltBlue
We're (each of us) the descendents of countless generations of beings that actually lived long enough to reproduce! Talk about lucky! How improbable is that?

On the Talk.Origins USENET newsgroup, someone pointed out that the catchphrase "survival of the fittest" sometimes gave the wrong impression to laymen, and challenged the forum to come up with something about as short but more descriptive.

The winner was, "Every single one of your ancestors scored!"

107 posted on 10/30/2003 7:43:12 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: jennyp
An abstract and theoretical example of a punk-eek scenario.
108 posted on 10/30/2003 7:43:40 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
There are over 40 phyla that arose during the Cambrian - none, zero, nada after it. ... This has not been seen in the entire period after the Cambrian, not a single new phyla has arisen since.

How can you say this? Did you even read post 71? Let alone the article I asked you to comment on?

109 posted on 10/30/2003 7:43:47 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: gore3000
There are numerous laws in the scientific fields which hold true day after day, year after year

such as the law "if a retroposon, pseudogene, etc, is found in both cows and whales, it will also be found in hippos" See fig.5

Standard biology has an explanation as to why it's hippos and not, say, rhinos, in the above law of nature. Does any other theory or speculative hypothesis?

110 posted on 10/30/2003 7:44:29 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Semper
Did the creator establish evil, death, disease, sin, etc. Was this done by an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, perfect and good supreme being? If so, one of two things must not be true, He must not be all good or He must not be all powerful.

you forgot the third option: God is not the author of evil, but he allows it for His purposes and , has absolute control over it,

111 posted on 10/30/2003 7:44:35 PM PST by HalfFull
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To: Ichneumon
We all carry the Teela Brown gene.
112 posted on 10/30/2003 7:44:44 PM PST by Physicist
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To: gore3000
There could have been no marine life - as we know there was (and as evolutionists themselves claim there was) if the oceans were covered with ice.

Yes, we all know that when a lake freezes over in the winter, all life in the lake dies. (sheesh!)

113 posted on 10/30/2003 7:47:28 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the heads up!
114 posted on 10/30/2003 7:47:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: gore3000
And both your statement above and what you posted evades completely my refutation above.

Read the thing before you announce you have refuted it! Much died, some lived. Life can exist under a lot of conditions.

115 posted on 10/30/2003 7:47:57 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: jennyp
Also notice I said "transitionals between closely related species are rare". Gould especially has taken pains to point out that transitional species between closely related families & other higher taxa are abundant.

Gould contradicted himself as much as Clinton. Fact is though that he fought against Darwinists most of his life and he insisted that the Cambrian species could not be explained by gradual evolution.

As to his theory, it is just an excuse for lack of evidence and part of the totally unscientific credo of evolutionists that 'lack of evidence is not evidence of lack'. Such may be okay in the Art Bell show, but it is not science, never was, never will be.

116 posted on 10/30/2003 7:48:28 PM PST by gore3000 ("To say dogs, mice, and humans are all products of slime plus time is a mystery religion.")
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To: jennyp
Particularly when there's a powerful heater at the bottom of the lake.
117 posted on 10/30/2003 7:49:12 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Semper
Would you know where this is from ?

The 1st freep - scorcher !

23"Oh, that my words were written!
Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
24That they were engraved on a rock
With an iron pen and lead, forever!
25For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth;
26And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,
27Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
28If you should say, "How shall we persecute him?'--
Since the root of the matter is found in me,
29Be afraid of the sword for yourselves;
For wrath brings the punishment of the sword,
That you may know there is a judgment."
118 posted on 10/30/2003 7:49:43 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: NewLand
Probably not, seeing as I left half of it off. I just like the punch line and couldn't wait to get to it. Typing is soooo slow.
119 posted on 10/30/2003 7:50:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: VadeRetro
And both your statement above and what you posted evades completely my refutation above.-me-

Read the thing before you announce you have refuted it!

You have it backwards. The post did not address my refutation. In an ice covered sea, the life we know existed before the Cambrian would have been impossible. Could not have lasted a year. The whole article by unScientific American is thus utter nonsense.

120 posted on 10/30/2003 7:50:52 PM PST by gore3000 ("To say dogs, mice, and humans are all products of slime plus time is a mystery religion.")
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