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Microsoft gives an early look at next Windows
The Financial Times ^ | October 27 2003 | Richard Waters

Posted on 10/28/2003 8:57:03 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

Bill Gates on Monday offered the first public look at Longhorn, the next generation of the Windows PC operating system that he said would be Microsoft's "biggest release of this decade and the biggest since Windows 95."

However, the Microsoft chairman gave no timetable for the launch of the software, which has already slipped to a later timetable than originally thought. With Longhorn now not expected before 2006, Microsoft faces a gap in its new product cycle that has left a question over its growth rate in the meantime.

Steve Ballmer, chief executive officer, has called Longhorn a "bet the company" product for Microsoft and insisted it will not be released before the company is confident it is ready.

Despite the delays, Microsoft gave an early look at the next Windows on Monday in an effort to build backing for the operating system among the many independent software developers who write their own applications to run on PCs. Microsoft's success depends heavily on expanding the loose community of developers who produce code that runs on its operating system, rather than defecting to the rival Java community, which is supported by IBM, Sun and others.

Before an audience of several thousand independent software developers at a company event in Los Angeles, Mr Gates said that Longhorn would make up for many of the disappointed expectations from the last boom in technology spending. The new Windows will provide a more flexible and robust platform that makes things like electronic commerce more widespread, he added.

The next version of the ubiquitous PC software will come with a new "sidebar" running down one side of the screen. The sidebar, which stays visible while the PC user works in an application, can show things like a "buddy list" of contacts, display a slide show of photographs or receive other types of media.

At the heart of the next Windows will be a new format for storing data that Microsoft has worked on intermittently for more than a decade. Rather than each software application saving information in a different format, a new standardised file system known as WinFS will create a single, unified system.

That means users will be able to find any information on their own PCs or across their corporate networks with a single search, then collate different types of data, whether in the form of text documents, spread sheets, video or audio recordings, Microsoft executives said.

Other key technologies in Longhorn will include a more powerful 3D graphics capability known as Avalon, which has been adapted from high-performance computer game systems, and a communications technology called Indigo, which will let users integrate information from other sources with data held on their desktops.

The company also said Longhorn would be more secure and reliable. Mr Gates first promised these things with the "Trustworthy Computing" initiative he launched three years ago, but Microsoft has been embarrassed this year by a spate of computer worms and viruses that exploit weaknesses in Windows.


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: billgates; computers; longhorn; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; operatingsystems; plannedobsolescence; software; techindex
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To: Gorzaloon
I hated XP the moment I saw it, too gaudy. Also, when I heard that it would occupy 1 Gb I went: "What the.....@"
Also, for some reason, applications using VB6 client/server apps don't seem to run correctly on an XP client, gives some permission errors.
61 posted on 10/29/2003 8:11:56 AM PST by Cronos (W2004)
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To: Petronski
They're planning on shipping 9.2 next month I hear. I was thinking of an Ebay version(15 bucks will get the download burn). Just not sure I'm up to the install, no support with these cheap versions.
62 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:34 AM PST by steve50
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To: steve50
I've run 9.2 Release Candidate 2 and found it to install itself. Amazingly good.
63 posted on 10/29/2003 8:25:41 AM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Steve Ballmer, chief executive officer, has called Longhorn a "bet the company"

LOL...Roundhead is a bit given to hyperbole isn't he? And yes I'm still happy with Win98 here at work myself.

64 posted on 10/29/2003 8:28:25 AM PST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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To: Petronski
Thanks. Think I read at a Mandrake link that they have most popular hardware supported now. Another nightmare over with.
65 posted on 10/29/2003 8:31:18 AM PST by steve50
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To: afraidfortherepublic

66 posted on 10/29/2003 8:35:57 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Dr. Hasslein was the only human character who had any sense in the "Apes" series)
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To: Prime Choice
Saving.
67 posted on 10/29/2003 8:37:41 AM PST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; HAL9000; Sir Gawain; anyone
Tech question here from Win98 user and dumb as a rock.

Somone told me to track all my .exe files scattered about my operating system and to store them all in one newly created file.

Is this sound advice and where should I create the new storage file?

Humble Thanks to anyone who responds.

;>)
68 posted on 10/29/2003 8:41:22 AM PST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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To: Joe_October
My buddy just bought a Dell computer with 17" monitor and printer delivered for $455. The eMac is the bottom of the line and it's still about twice what a good PC will run you. The price argument has been beaten to death. Mac can't or won't sell them as cheap.

I doubt the $455 Dell was "comparable" (the eMac has an flat-panel display, lots of I/O ports, etc.). The reason that Apple won't sell $500 Macs is that the compromises that they'd need to make to build such a cheap machine just aren't worth it for them. If you want to fault Apple for not producing a really low-end Mac for $500, that's a fair enough complaint but not the complaint I keep hearing. The complaint generally implies that the "same" Mac is about twice as expensive as a PC. That eMac is not the "same" as the $455 Dell and if you add the same features to that Dell that the eMac has, you'll usually wind up with a Dell that costs roughly what the eMac costs.

Would you consider it fair to complain that Fords are outrageously expensive because you can get a new Hyundai Accent for $9,999 and the Ford Focus starts at $12,795? Would you consider it fair to argue that Fords are "twice as expensive" as Hyundais by comparing the Accent to a $20,000 Taurus with more features? The problem that Apple has is more like a comparison between Hyundai and Volkwagen. You can't get a Volkswagen for under $15,580 (list). But base Golf is not exactly comparable to the base Accent. Do you fault Volkswagen and Ford for not offering a $10,000 car when Hyundai does?

I'm beating the pricing issue to death, yet again, because Macs are simply not as expensive as they once were and the price difference between a Mac and a Dell for a machine with comparable features is either small or there isn't a difference.

69 posted on 10/29/2003 8:41:45 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: wardaddy
Sounds like a truckload of work to me, and not really worth it unless you're using specialty programs you'll want easy access to when you change over. We have a real mix on this network - got 98 and XP boxes, in fact, I'm using a 98 now, but it has been getting buggy lately, so its about to get switched out.
70 posted on 10/29/2003 8:56:45 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Dr. Hasslein was the only human character who had any sense in the "Apes" series)
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To: N3WBI3
Here is the thing for 900$ you can buy a PC now and another in 1.5-2 years. Or you can spend 455$ cor the computer printer and moniter and than buy a nice digital camera for 300 and a scanner for 100 and come out just 50$ ahead of the lowest end Mac.

Ah, but you don't need to buy another Mac in 1.5 to 2 years because the Mac OSX upgrades usually run faster on the same hardware than the previous version, if you need to bother upgrading at all. I expect to get 3-5 years out of a Mac. The main limitation that I'm running into with my iBook is the video card, not the CPU or memory. That wouldn't be as much of a problem if I owned a desktop, nor would it be a problem if I had purchased my iBook a bit later.

Mac's are nice no doubt but current Intel based hardware systems are far from crap, my $500 intel box at home runs my webserver, a mail-server, a cvs server, ftp, ssh, ....

Using Linux, which you had to install. My iBook also runs all of that server. And most of it comes with the installed OS, because OSX is based on FreeBSD. Honestly, how many people who purchase a $500 Dell are going to install Linux? Of course Linux can also help you extend the life of your PC hardware. I had a 486 with 32mb of RAM that I used as a desktop machine for about 5 years running Linux, long after that hardware was insufficient to run Windows (I used that machine until 2000).

If you took your head out of the elietest clouds you would see most people would rather spend less than five hundred for a 2Ghz, 256MB, 30GB intel box than 800$ for macs worst offering.

I would question "most people". A lot of the machines that they sell in places like CompUSA are not base models. And if you switch over to the laptop side, where the PC vendor can only be so cheap, you'll see that Macs laptops and PC laptops compare very favorable to each other. This is why Apple still breaks into the top 5 for laptop sales.

Now if were going to talk about OS yes MS is crap soon after getting my box it was ripped of in favor of Linux.. But that me not most people..

If you want to talk about what "most people" want above, I think it is fair for me to point out that "most people" don't rip out Windows and install Linux.

71 posted on 10/29/2003 9:01:26 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: wardaddy
Somone told me to track all my .exe files scattered about my operating system and to store them all in one newly created file.

I cannot imagine how or why.

What you might want to do is put all of your program DATA in subdirectories of a main directory called 'DATA' (kinda like 'my documents'), so that if you want to back up your data, you can just drag that directory into the burner software and fly.

72 posted on 10/29/2003 9:01:59 AM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: wardaddy
How was Richard Thompson?
73 posted on 10/29/2003 9:17:48 AM PST by Lost Highway (There's no stopping the cretins from hoppin.)
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To: proust
I'm still using Windows 95. It does what I need.
74 posted on 10/29/2003 9:21:22 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: N3WBI3
That's great if you want a crap PC, monitor and printer. Okay, I'm an elitist. I wouldn't urinate on a $300 digital camera. I want my monitor, printer and camera to synch so that when I photograph a football team wearing red, it's not purple on the monitor and green on the printer.

I went with Macintosh after spending over $50 on ink and photo paper trying to synchronize my printer with my monitor AND my photo service. The comparisons you make are terrific for someone who's happy with a Lexmark printout on typing paper, but trying to do any actual photo work on the type of system you're suggesting is a joke, and that's the point. I've messed around with the crappy systems you're suggesting, and it's not worth the headache. Yes, if all I did was email and Word, it would probably be okay, as long as I set the autosave to every 10 minutes, and didn't have to ever hook up a USB device, as many versions of Windows completely lose the port when you D/C the device (yes, I know about mounting and unmounting, and Windoze still loses the USB ports.)

75 posted on 10/29/2003 9:23:02 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: wardaddy
Wow. That is a remarkably bad idea. You're just begging to screw up your system if you do that.
76 posted on 10/29/2003 9:28:25 AM PST by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Petronski; Sofa King
Needless to say....I think I will refrain and thanks to you all for the advice.

I have only been around PCs since late 98 and admit to idiocy on the matter.

I fooled around with something about a year ago and lost a .dll file that comes back to haunt me from time to time.

I should upgrade my OS one day....I guess.

Worse....my OS for my warehouse still runs on DOS. I did toss the 486 a few months ago...the old workhorse...

Thanks again.
77 posted on 10/29/2003 12:08:46 PM PST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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To: Lost Highway
We bugged out....my wife had seen him a lot and I had early business and we are going to Grandfather MT this weekend so we just grabbed a couple of hours of babysitter and went to Virago to eat....not too bad...overpriced. Sweet waitress.


I'd go back.

We saw Gary Allan at the Trap a few weeks ago....that was
nice.

You know...between kids sitter and dinner and wine and tickets ...you can easily hit the 200 dollar mark. I'm not poor but neither am I rich. When I was a college kid, 200 bucks was a vacation....now it's a night out...lol

Regards!
78 posted on 10/29/2003 12:19:41 PM PST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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To: Richard Kimball
Blah Blah Blah.... Yea cheap hardware blah blah... Intel hardware is not significatlly inferior to the hardware used on Mac's.. And the ultra elite ;I would not urinate on a 300$ camer line was great though my 300$ digi camera is 5Mp which is photographic film quality but I guess im just a knuckle dragging x686 user who does not understand how uber cool a 1k digital camera is...

The average person does not need photo quality printing hence apple has priced themselves out of 90% of the home use market.. while those 90% are not ultra way out cool apple users like you I guess they just dont know what they need...

BTW this was a discussion about hardware, not software so the way windows handels USB (I have never seen anything after 98sp2 lose a port) Linux does just fine with it.

79 posted on 10/29/2003 2:54:30 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
What cam are you shooting? Seriously, I don't have a problem with P&S digicams, but I can't use them for my applications. Flames off, I used every version of Windows from 1.0 (remember when Excel came with a runtime version of Windows?) to ME. I had to go to ME, even though I was running 2K, cause of some apps that would only run under 98. ME dropped the usb ports constantly. All you had to do was delete the entire usb hub and then reboot and it would find it, but that kind of inconsistency was pretty standard on most of the Windows versions I used, although I will admit that 2K was significantly more stable than 95-98-ME. Here's my home page with some of the photos. Check the "Crawford" link for some of my sports shots. Take care. BTW, I think MS is in big trouble long-term. Mac is getting a lot more people who just want to do their work, and Linux is getting the tweakers. If their SCO "make Linux illegal" strategy doesn't work, Bill may be down to his last 10 billion in a few years.
80 posted on 10/29/2003 3:16:01 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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