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Chrysler's cruise missile
Design News ^ | 10/20/2003 | Staff

Posted on 10/27/2003 12:01:41 PM PST by BraveMan

Few would argue that the Dodge Tomahawk defies common sense. After all, who needs a motorcycle that reaches a top speed of more than 250 mph, cranks out 525 hp, and goes from 0-60 mph in 2.5 seconds? Moreover, who needs a vehicle that – if it ever reaches full-scale production – could be priced at a staggering $250,000?

Obviously, no one needs it. But the Tomahawk isn't about need, and it certainly isn't about common sense.

"My first reaction to this idea was that it didn't seem like the most intelligent use of power," says Mark Walters, the DaimlerChrysler senior designer who masterminded the construction of the highly-publicized vehicle. "But I had to admit: it is cool."

Indeed, Walters isn't the only one who thinks it's cool. Since unveiling the Dodge Tomahawk concept vehicle at the Detroit Auto Show in January, Chrysler Group has been inundated with requests from interested parties who want to sit on, ride, or buy the vehicle.

"We get people calling all the time and saying, 'I want to buy one, and I've got cash. How much do you want for it?'" Walters says.

Like the Dodge Viper of more than a decade ago, the Tomahawk has attracted the attention of movie stars and celebrities, most of whom hope that some of its star quality will rub off on them. At one of last January's Super Bowl parties in New Orleans, the Tomahawk appeared with the likes of "Joe Millionaire," Jane Seymour, and others. It then traveled to Burbank, California for a visit with motorcycle buff Jay Leno, who wanted to see the four-wheel motorcycle do a few burnouts.

In that sense, the Tomahawk is already fulfilling its purpose. The company isn't hiding the fact that the vehicle is mostly about image, and serves mainly as a message to consumers that DaimlerChrysler is a company that isn't big on conventional boundaries. "This is a bold-faced slap against mediocrity," said Senior Vice President of Design, Trevor Creed, in a prepared statement. "Tomahawk is a scintillating example of what creative minds can do when given the opportunity to run free."

Indeed, the company's willingness to let creative minds run free is the very essence of the Tomahawk.

The idea originated with two DaimlerChrysler employees who also happened to be motorcycle enthusiasts. "They had this idea to build a Viper-powered bike," Walters recalls. "They wanted to take the V-10 Viper engine and put it in an existing motorcycle chassis, but never found the time to do it because they both have families."

The two employees—clay modeler, Bob Schroeder, and vehicle build specialist, Dave Chyz—ultimately brought their idea to Freeman Thomas, DaimlerChrysler's vice president in charge of advanced studios, who in turn took it to Walters. In discussing the idea with Walters, Thomas mentioned he had a vision for the bike inspired by the 1982 film, Tron, in which actor Jeff Bridges, trapped in a video game, rides a virtual, four-wheeled motorcycle.

Walters took the Tron concept, worked with it for a few weeks, and then pitched it to Chrysler Group Chief Operating Officer, Wolfgang Bernhard, and CEO, Dieter Zetsche. Using giant panels measuring 20-ft long and 6-ft high, Walters showed the executives the concept for the bike and the corporate marketing advantages. He explained that the Tomahawk would give DaimlerChrysler access to truck events, where truck buyers (many of whom are motorcycle enthusiasts) would line up in droves to see the 250-mph vehicle.

"Basically, we saw it as a way to crash a party," Walters recalls. "At the same time, we were hoping we could expose some of those consumers to the products that we make."

Zetsche and Bernhard quickly saw the merit in the concept. "They loved it," Walters recalls. "Much to our surprise, they told us to build it."

Mass Dilemma Once the corporate blessing was obtained, however, the hard work began.

By the time Walters received the go-ahead, it was already May 2002, and DaimlerChrysler executives were hoping to see a finished vehicle by January 2003. That placed him approximately eight months behind the normal concept car schedule, which calls for design work to begin in early October, approximately 15 months before a vehicle's unveiling.

"The idea came up so late that the only way I could see making it happen was to move my workstation down to the fabrication area, where I could talk to the people who would be putting it together," Walters says. "Once I did that, we were literally only a few feet apart."

The real dilemma facing Walters, however, was the sheer mass of the Viper engine. With a displacement of 8.3 liters, the V-10 Viper engine is more than five times larger than a big motorcycle engine on, say, a Harley-Davidson. "The worst evil of all was the physical mass," Walters recalls. "It's a lot of weight, a lot of metal, a lot of moving parts, and an awful lot of power."

For that reason, the use of the four-wheeled motorcycle concept suddenly seemed more appropriate than ever. The four wheels, Walters reasoned, would offset the extraordinary visual mass of the motor. What's more, the four wheels provided a more natural path for transferring 525 hp to the street.

"If you've ever seen a Viper do a burnout, you know that one little contact patch is not going to be enough," Walters says.

By employing twin wheels instead of one, however, Walters doubled the size of the Tomahawk's contact patch. Doing so, he says, not only helped with acceleration, but also braking.

Still, DaimlerChrysler had to deal with the engine's mass in other ways. The sheer mass of the engine loomed as a potential balance problem, especially for shorter riders moving at slow speeds. There, engineers say, the gyroscopic effect of the wheels doesn't provide balance as effectively as it does at higher speeds. As they near stop lights, for example, riders of all motorcycles typically must place their feet down on the street to balance the bike. And while that may not be a problem with a smaller bike, it was for the Tomahawk, which was nearing an ultimate weight of almost 1,400 lbs.

Their solution was to place the heaviest part of the bike – the engine – as low as possible. To accomplish that, DaimlerChrysler designers worked with engineers at RM Motorsports (Wixom, MI), builders of custom-designed race vehicles, who suggested that they use a "dry sump" engine. With the dry sump, the Viper engine could be placed lower, they said, because the oil pan would no longer be located at the bottom of the engine.

The design team created a dry sump by employing a remote oil pan, and then using a high-pressure oil pump with a scavenging stage to transport oil back and forth to the engine through pressurized lines.

By doing so, the team moved the engine down and lowered the bike's center of gravity. The lower engine, in turn, also provided riders with greater control at low speeds.

"Keeping the saddle as low to the ground as possible helps the riders," Walters says. "If they do have to use their legs at a stop light, they're not up on their toes. They can take a wider stance and gain a little leverage."

By moving the engine lower, Walters says he also left enough room for a specialized suspension system that further helps riders to deal with the motorcycle's mass. The suspension system consists of a pair of swing arms running to each of the rear wheels, and pivoting off the output shaft of the transmission. Each of the arms is connected to a spring-loaded linkage, which compresses one of the springs whenever the rider turns.

Weight, however, wasn't the only challenge wrought by the use of an 8.3-liter engine.

"Anything that makes that much power is going to generate a lot of heat," Walters says. "And you have to dissipate that heat somehow if you expect a rider to sit on it."

Dealing with Heat To dissipate the heat, the design team scrapped the headers from the original Viper engine, and created a custom set of unequal length headers that run from the exhaust port to a "collector" that runs straight to the rear of the vehicle. By doing so, Walters eliminated the risk of burning the rider, whose knees would be close to the excessive girth of the engine.

Tomahawk's designers also wrapped the headers with a material often used to insulate turbochargers. The material, which wraps around the headers like an Ace bandage, helps eliminate the possibility of riders being burned.

Walters says that one of the biggest heat-related challenges, however, was simply cooling the engine. "A Viper uses very powerful fans and a radiator that's really big, located in a place where it gets a lot of air," Walters says. "But packaging all that onto a motorcycle would look ridiculous."

Still, engineers from RM Motorsports believed the problem could be solved. They first recommended the use of a cast aluminum fan that incorporates an alternator, thus enabling them to solve both the airflow and packaging problems in a single stroke. At the same time, the design team incorporated a pair of small radiators, measuring about 18 inches long by 8 inches high, which they placed in the "V" of the V-10 engine. Engineers arranged them in an A-frame shape and then sealed the area in a way that forces air past the radiators, to help in cooling.

Walters says that because of the short time frame, much of the engineering was of the seat-of-the-pants variety. There simply wasn't time for complex computational fluid dynamics studies on the cooling system, he says.

"We did use finite element analysis on the suspension arms," he says. "But the cooling system was a result of engineering experience more than anything else."

Custom Design Experience was also the key element in the development of a special transmission for the Tomahawk. The need for the transmission arose partially because the Tomahawk's crankshaft runs transverse to the drive axle, but also because the gear ratios that it requires aren't available in any commercially available transmissions.

With the deadline looming just a few months ahead, engineers at RM Motorsports decided to solve the problem by making a transmission from scratch. The company's engineers mocked up a prototype using available gears and wooden parts. Then they drew up graph-paper sketches of the transmission casing, which they gave to Walters. He took the drawings to his workstation, "surfaced" the case, then provided a data CD to a vendor that milled the transmission case from a 10,000-lb, solid aluminum billet.

"Even though we were working in tolerances of a thousandth of an inch, the transmission worked right out of the box," Walters says.

At the same time, engineers at RM Motorsports worked with vendors on machining of wheels, body parts, swing arms, throttle body, and handlebars from smaller aluminum billets. In many cases, RM Motorsports engineers say they had to do the machining by hand, rather than via computer numerical control.

"Parts such as the throttle body and handlebars had complex curves and valleys, and there was no easy and fast way to do it," notes Bud Bennett, president of RM Motorsports. "It was like making a clay model, only from aluminum. We could have done it with a computer program, but it would have gone too slow."

A Chrysler Group spokesman says that the resulting prototype cost approximately $500,000 to design and build. That figure, he says, is low by comparison to most concept vehicles.

Designers of the vehicle say they really don't know how fast the resulting vehicle is.

"If it were geared properly, 250 mph would be attainable," Walters says. "But right now, it's geared for acceleration, not speed." Although the company has published top-speed figures of 400 mph, Walters says he doesn't believe, and doesn't want to know, if such speeds are possible.

The company has said, however, that the vehicle accelerates from 0-60 mph in under 2.5 seconds, and reaches to 120 mph "very, very quickly." Engineers refused to place a number on the 0-120 mph speed, however.

"I've ridden it, and it makes my 1,100-cc sport bike feel like a scooter," Walters says.

Whether the automotive giant will put the Tomahawk into production is another matter. Industry insiders expect it will.


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To: pt17
Thank you. You just made my day! :-)~~
41 posted on 10/27/2003 1:35:59 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: RightWhale
Does wedging one under a porch count?

I think I hold the record for the longest (duration) over-the-bars endo . . .

Back in my young and foolish days (as opposed to my current old and foolish days) I was following behind a friend's car on my Kawasaki KL-250. I caught the eye of a fetchingly cute young girl walking on the sidewalk along the street. Unbeknownst to me, this beauty has also caught the attention of my friend in the car ahead of me, who stopped in the middle of the street . . .

Well, I hit him about five miles an hour, imparting just enough force to stand my bike straight up on the front tire, and push his car forward about eight feet. Ever so slowly the bike continued over, landing in a perfect three-point stance (two handlebar ends and the taillight) and pinning me underneath sprawled out on the pavement. Try as I might, I couldn't muscle up enough leverage to get the bike off me, pinned in the position I was.

My friend jumped out of his car to rescue me from my predicament. When he saw me helplessly pinned uner the bike, he couldn't stop laughing. I finally convinced him to peel the bike off me as the tears rolled down his cheeks . . .

The fetchingly cute young girl walking on the sidewalk also was laughing so hard, she had to sit down on the curb while she composed herself. At the time, I was the only one who didn't think the situation was so damn funny.

I never did meet that girl . . .

42 posted on 10/27/2003 1:50:35 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Fierce Allegiance
They rode those things in TRON
43 posted on 10/27/2003 1:50:42 PM PST by hattend
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To: BraveMan

Stunt Stoppies??

44 posted on 10/27/2003 2:01:19 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: BraveMan
Not to take anything away from this interesting engineering exercise/marketing toy,I feel compelled to pose the following:

1- Who or what company would be willing to write an insurance policy on this thing?

Answer: Nobody

2- Who is going to buy this?

Answer: Jay Leno, for one...and anyone crazy enough to "need" it.

If you can't insure it, you can't ride it on public roads. I doubt that it would pass muster with the DOT but does it really matter? If you can afford the selling price, chances are that you could also build your own road or airstrip to ride it on.

As for this machine reaching 250MPH......not likely without any kind of aerodynamic bodywork. If you've ever been on a "naked" bike, getting above 125mph or so without some kind of bodywork to slice through the air, your hands (and the rest of you exposed to the airstream) become one helluva drag. Just hanging on at 125mph+ on an unfaired bike is a feat in itself. Steering precisely at that speed exposed to the air directly is NOT easy. It doesn't matter how many ponies the motor can put out....without bodywork you MIGHT see something like 150mph. COnsider the following:

On Sept. 13, 1948, Rollie Free rode the first Vincent HRD Black Lightning to a speed of 150.313 m.p.h. at Bonneville. Rollie's leathers tore from early runs at 147 mph, he discarded them and made a final, heroic attempt without jacket, pants, gloves, boots or helmet.

The bike was capable but the rider provided enough drag to prevent speeds in excess of 147mph. He had to ride practically NAKED to get above 150. If there was bodywork...read: WIND PROTECTION, he would have been even faster. 147mph TORE HIS LEATHERS....wrap your mind 'round that for a second.

45 posted on 10/27/2003 2:06:14 PM PST by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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To: Range Rover
....and I have it on fairly good authority that he had a BATHING CAP on in the above picture...that's not a helmet.
46 posted on 10/27/2003 2:09:12 PM PST by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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To: Aquinasfan
Gillette Sues Energizer Over New Schick Quattro Four-Blade Razor

September 2, 2003

On August 12, 2003 St. Louis-based Energizer Holdings, parent company of Schick-Wilkinson Sword, announced that in September it will begin selling a four-blade razor called "Quattro," touting its latest product’s ergonomic design and synchronized blades. Before the day was out, though, Energizer found itself defending a lawsuit brought by rival Gillette in federal court in Boston. The lawsuit alleges that the Quattro violates Gillette’s patent for "progressive blade geometry" technology used in Gillette’s three-bladed Mach 3. Gillette asserts that the Quattro uses the same technique to stack the blades in the cartridge as Gillette’s top-selling Mach 3 three-bladed razor. The complaint calls for preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, treble monetary damages and other relief.

"A four blade razor would not function well, and would not have significant market appeal, unless it utilized the progressive geometric blade configuration invented by Gillette," the lawsuit stated. "Energizer is deliberately attempting to capitalize on the superior performance of Mach 3, the world's No. 1 shaving product," Gillette spokesman Eric Kraus said. "It's hard to imagine that progressive blade geometry was included in the Quattro product by accident." Gillette claimed that it spent $750 million to develop Mach 3. Energizer responded that it "has always respected the valid intellectual property rights of third parties, including Gillette, and will continue to do so." It said it believes it has valid defenses and will follow through on its previously announced plans to launch Quattro in September.
47 posted on 10/27/2003 2:15:43 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: Aquinasfan

48 posted on 10/27/2003 2:19:49 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
Here are some cool motorcycle videos of guys doing stunts like that... some don't end so happily...

Cruzin Homestead
49 posted on 10/27/2003 2:20:01 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: BraveMan
COOL!

I have this issue of Design News... thanks for posting this.

50 posted on 10/27/2003 2:21:53 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Oooooooooooooooooo. Muttly NEED !!!

It makes Muttly's Official 4 Wheel Muttlycycle look wimpy...not a Muttly characteristic. Muttly Official Pal "Big Daddy Roth" would go NUTS with this !

Humpf. Now can't ride Muttlycycle anymore. Sad. Such a good day before this.

Back to Official Yo-Yo Practice...after I dig this little hole....
51 posted on 10/27/2003 2:30:59 PM PST by PoorMuttly (Would YOU mess with a Muttly who even sleeps with his racoonskin cap and sixguns on ?...)
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To: Bon mots
OMG!! Thanks for the link!

I got through the first one and all I could say was, OMG!!

Bookmarked for group viewing!
52 posted on 10/27/2003 2:51:31 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: Range Rover
If you can't insure it, you can't ride it on public roads.

Untrue in Floriduh! Just FYI. :-)~

53 posted on 10/27/2003 2:55:13 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: JoeSixPack1
...in this case, I suppose the estate of the deceased should be enough to cover any damages.

While I'm no fan of Insurance companies, having an "incident" with an uninsured driver is something none of us should be saddled with. It has happened to me and to two people I know. The uninsured walked away without having to pay for squat in each case (and they were ALL the cause of the mishaps).

BTW, is that just Bikes that can go without insurance in the Sunshine State? Been a while since I've been there. Judging by all the Floriduh-tagged pastel Cadillacs I see in New England shuttling their Beige Orthopedic-wearing "gotta hit the Early Bird Special" types to and fro, I'd be carrying a full boat of insurance if driving in that state. Hell, I'd get PEDESTRIAN Insurance.

54 posted on 10/27/2003 3:04:22 PM PST by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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To: BraveMan
*Perfect*

I say to the idiots running (or is it ruining) Chrysler, "Go for it!"

First these imbuciles went to work at their billion dollar R&D center in Canada & engineered a V10.
Then collared Carol Shelby -- no less -- to design 'em a true "sports car" in the same vein as Carol's AC Cobra, 25 years before.
So far, so *good*.

Next thing ya know?
The public's seeing that same Copperhead V10 showing up as an option in Dodge pickup trucks.
>doink<

Then Chrysler designers come up with the *retro* "PT Cruiser" & people are standing in lines waiting to scoff the thing up.
Those people would've told ya "It has great styling! while the lamestream mediots are giving it all the positive press any American automobile manufacturer could ever possibly ask; thereby, fanning the flames of a hungry motoring public.
What could be better, eh?

So what's the engine Chrysler used to *power* this fabulous testament in styling?
The only engine available is the same old & very *tired* Mitsubishi V6 one found in virtually every other Chrysler product made since the early 90s.
Yawwnnn.

Yup, bought my bride a snazzy red LaBaron convertable with one of those V6 engines in it, &, the torque curve was a classic *flat liner*. "DOA."
We affectionately nicknamed the thing "The Beached Whale" after the groan it'd make when ya mashed the accelerator.
~Yea...whadda car.

Of course then there was *the* incredible, fabulous Prowler!! (Grrrrrr!)
All the *Prowler* V6s that'd been built for that Edsel-like abomination must've wound up going into the PT Cruisers *after* the *braintrust* at Chrysler managed to run Plymouth into the ground & outa business.
So much for what used to be one of the greatest automobile monikers Detroit ever had & why "Penny-wise & Dollar Foolish" was coined.

But wait, the Chrysler bozos weren't done!
Not finished "reading the record"!
It gets even *better*!

First let us return to Chrysler's billion dollar R&D center where after what, 30 years, Chrysler's engineering brainiacs are *reinventing* Chrysler's infamous hemispherical head iron pushrod V8.
Only *this* time the magnificent heads will be worn not on a 392 or monster 426cu/in block, no-no-no!
This iteration of the famous "Hemi" will be a totally new, state-of-the-art 5.7L V8 engine (~350c/in dis +/- an cu/in).
This motor is being marketed as the Second Coming & currently available in yup -- you guessed it -- a Dodge pickup truck.
Sometime next year's the very soonest it'll be available, as an option, in one of Chrysler's passenger cars.
>doink<

Chrysler's so woefully mismanaged as to be hysterically laughable; so, I say bring that *thing* on!
At a paltry half mil I'm sure most of 'em will be sold to the posters right here at FR.
While the moron-huns who're running Chrysler will finally do to Chrysler what Lynn Townsend couldn't with his infamous *Aspen*.
Ruin it. :o)

While across town things aren't much better.
Ford's all set & chaffin' at the bit to launch their new GT40, soon.
Yup, at a time when the automobile market's in a depressed & bloated condition due to 0% et al.
But in all fairness it must be noted, Ford must keep their factories running & the UAW guys at work per the contracts they signed, even if Ford's only planning to build around 1,500 GT40s, at the most!!
Some *savior*, huh.

The new GT40 will still, after all, be a *Ford*; but, *this* Ford's going cost the perspective buyer anywhere between $120 & $150,000!!
Gosh things must be awfully good in Grosse Point! :o)

Naturally while this malarkey's going on at Ford?
In 2005 Ford's, unfortunately, discontinuing what should've *&* could've been Ford's crown jewel.
A car that was extremely affordable & a true "sports car" going head-to-head with Chevrolet's Corvette.
The Ford "Thunderbird."

The car's being scrapped because -- known to all *but* those at Ford World HQ -- the thing could *not* be had with Ford's premium performance V8, the supercharged SVT twin cam 32 valve modular racing engine.
Nope, couldn't get it in a Thunderbird; buuuuut, you *could* get it in the aging Mustang!!
BTW, that's all ya can get that motor in.
>doink<

Guess Ford's *strategy* is to put all their eggs into the mega-buck GT40 during a depressed economy, or, Ford -- apparently -- knows something we don't, huh?

So Braveman, tell me.

...you gonna be signing up for one? {g}

55 posted on 10/27/2003 3:05:16 PM PST by Landru
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To: Range Rover
Yeah, just bikes.
56 posted on 10/27/2003 3:06:30 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: Range Rover
If you can't insure it, you can't ride it on public roads.

Actually you can but you just have to put a pre-paid insurance policy out .... you determine maximum liability and then you put that much into the insurance policy issuer's banks in something like an escrow account.

If you crash and die ... the other people you clobbered get it. IF you live long enough to cancel your policy then the company takes a cut and hands it back.

57 posted on 10/27/2003 3:07:53 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: Range Rover
Remember the Kawasaki Z1-R?

I had one of those things in 1978. It had a little bikini fairing with the instruments built into it.

I decided one day I would wring it out and see what she'd do. I picked out a nice, flat, straight country road, tucked down into the boy-racer crouch and turned up the wick. It seemed to get to 130 mph awfully quick, with a little throttle left over.

When I'd had enough, I rolled out of the throttle. When the beast got back down to 120 mph, I straightened up out of the tuck. Big, big mistake! The wind blast nearly tore me right off the bike. To this day, I don't quite know how I was able to hang on long enough to decelerate down to a reasonable speed.

That was my first and last ride over the Ton, on two wheels, anywhere.

I have a deep, viceral respect for motorcycle aerodynamics and how they relate to speeds above 100 mph. There are forces in play at that speed you wouldn't begin to imagine. I agree, the Tomahawk may well do 200+ mph. However, hitting the slightest bump at that speed would probably eject the rider into the windstream.
58 posted on 10/27/2003 3:11:41 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Petronski
Gillette claimed that it spent $750 million to develop Mach 3.

Say *what*??

Something tells me I could have come up with something equally workable for a mere million or so.

59 posted on 10/27/2003 3:25:50 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Centurion2000
...I get it now....something in the same vein as "Stated Value" crossed with an escrow account. I guess Lloyds Of London would step up to the plate.

I should be thinking more along the lines of what they do for exotic autos

The thing is that few of us here (and I'm assuming)are flush enough play in that realm (at least from the "owner" side) enough to know the ins and outs of this type of thing.

I'm thinking of taking out a special policy on two of my bikes but I'm paying about $150.00 a year to insure each right now and I consider that a bargain....I used to pay more. When I get a 1930's Indian up and running, I'll need to get a bit more coverage, I suppose.

Thanks for the info. I can't be the only one curious so a collective thank you for everyone else while I'm at it....(anyone in the market for a few BSA's? My other half won't complain about a new old bike if I shed a few of the projects.....)

60 posted on 10/27/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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