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Israel publishes map of fence
AP ^ | 10/25/03 | Ap

Posted on 10/24/2003 10:50:36 PM PDT by Mark Felton

FOR the first time, Israel published a detailed map of its planned security barrier, which would encircle tens of thousands of Palestinians, cutting them off from the rest of the West Bank, while keeping about 80 per cent of Jewish settlers on the Israeli side of the fence.

The fence's snaking path, sloping from flat land up into mountains, cuts deep into the West Bank and will likely enflame already fierce international opposition.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said the military also planned a final section of the barrier in the eastern area of the West Bank and would soon present it to the Cabinet.

That section, which would cut Palestinians off from the Jordan Valley, would likely pass a few kilometres from the Jordan River, he said in a TV interview.

"The route is being planned now. The moment it will be completed, it will be presented to the government," Sharon said.

Palestinians are strongly opposed to the barrier, saying Israel is using it to create a de facto border that infringes on West Bank land they claim for a future state.

Israel says the barrier is intended to keep Palestinian militants from entering the country to carry out attacks.

Early yesterday, two Islamic militants cut through a fence around the Jewish settlement of Netzarim in the Gaza Strip and broke into the barracks of soldiers guarding the area.

They went from room to room shooting sleeping soldiers, killing three and wounding two, according to the army and media reports.

Troops shot and killed one Palestinian, who was armed with an assault rifle, but failed to find the second attacker, the army said.

The militant group Hamas later released surveillance video of Netzarim taken before the attack, suggesting an increase in the militant group's ability to plan and carry out such raids.

The video, several minutes long and apparently shot from far away, showed the settlements' red-roofed houses, an army truck and a station wagon driving on roads inside and a person riding a bicycle.

It also showed the two attackers practicing throwing grenades and shooting at a plastic soda bottle.

The face of the Islamic Jihad attacker, who escaped, was blurred in the video to protect his identity.

Militants identified the dead attacker as Samir Fouda, 21, a Hamas militant from Gaza.

Gaza is surrounded by a security fence of its own, and none of the more than 100 suicide bombers who have attacked Israelis over the past three years made it past the fence.

Israel says it is seeking to replicate that success with the West Bank barrier and has already built 145km of fences, walls and trenches around the northern part of that territory.

But where that section hugs fairly close to the border before the 1967 Middle East war - dipping slightly into the West Bank to include Jewish settlements - the new section would extend deep into the West Bank.

The map of the new section outlined a series of double fences in some areas to protect Israel's international airport from rocket attacks and a planned ringed road around Jerusalem.

Defence Ministry spokeswoman Rachel Niedek-Ashkenazi said defence officials had not finished their estimate of how many Palestinians would be affected, but said 70,000 was much higher than their current assessments.

Opponents of the fence accuse Sharon of using it to grab West Bank land and isolate the Palestinians.

"This fence allows Sharon to realise his dreams, to divide up the Palestinian population into small groups, a cantonisation," said Dror Etkes of the Israeli group Peace Now.

It would take two more years to complete the fence, and cost another $US230 million ($329.58 million), said Amos Yaron, director general of the Defence Ministry.

The fence also would contain several unconnected sections around settlements, including Ariel, a community of 18,000 Israelis, 24km inside the West Bank.

This is to allay US fears the barrier would limit Palestinians' freedom of movement and would unilaterally define the border of a future Palestinian state.

The United States has said it opposes extending the barrier deep into the West Bank, and the United Nations on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a resolution demanding Israel tear it down.

The Associated Press


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arafart; arafat; israel; palestine; palestinians; roadmap
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1 posted on 10/24/2003 10:50:36 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
Hmmmm,not a word about the 20% of settlers that the fence WON'T enclose?
2 posted on 10/24/2003 10:54:25 PM PDT by tet68 (multiculturalism is an ideological academic fantasy maintained in obvious bad faith. M. Thompson)
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To: Mark Felton
US fears the barrier would ....unilaterally define the border of a future Palestinian state.

And that is the issue in a nutshell.

3 posted on 10/24/2003 10:56:48 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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The Reservations are taking shape.

It will take generations for the malignity to dissipate.

The only solution is to seperate and, preferably, disarm one side.
4 posted on 10/24/2003 10:59:26 PM PDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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To: Mark Felton
Any link to the actual map?
5 posted on 10/24/2003 11:00:49 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Mark Felton
Why not encircle all of the land and deport the Palestinians to France and Saudi Arabia?
6 posted on 10/24/2003 11:02:48 PM PDT by Young Rhino (the bent one always has an angle)
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To: xzins
The Palestinians have only themselves to blame by rejecting the Road Map. They're kidding themselves if they think any future Israeli government is going to be more generous. This is the best deal they'll get and they ought to make the most of it. Right now they have more land to have an effective government on and that's far more land than many American Indian tribes have. Sure they're on a reservation fit for savages. But who's the barbarian here? It sure wasn't the Jewish State which saw its outstretched hand for peace slapped away and repaid with an orgy of violence perpetrated upon its citizens.
7 posted on 10/24/2003 11:24:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mark Felton
"FOR the first time, Israel published a detailed map of its planned security barrier, which would encircle tens of thousands of Palestinians, cutting them off from the rest of the West Bank, while keeping about 80 per cent of Jewish settlers on the Israeli side of the fence."

Ah, you just gotta love media bias. Notice how they compare "tens of thousands" of Palestinians to "80%" of the settlers, manipulating the statistics to cast the fence in the worst possible light. They could have said the fence will leave 97% of the Palestinians in place compared to 80% of the settlers. Or they could have said the fence will displace 70,000 Palestinians versus 80,000 settlers. But no, comparing apples to apples makes the whole thing sound fair, and we can't have that.

8 posted on 10/24/2003 11:39:14 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Fabozz
Exactly. People left on the "wrong side" of the fence can move and it would be a perfectly fair one to one population exchange. Trust me, with the Jews out of the Palestinians' hair, their motive to destroy Israel won't disappear any time soon, but their terror apparatus will have to take a long holiday.
9 posted on 10/24/2003 11:43:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I am grateful that the Palestinians didn't see the gift that Barak offered them under Clinton's pressure; The Roadmap narrows one portion of Israel to approx 6 miles, if I understand correctly. The Palestinians have rejected that, too.

Thank God.
10 posted on 10/24/2003 11:46:12 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: xzins
Yep. There's scant chance of the Road Map being implemented during an election year. Ditto to the always over optimistic and unrealistic pie in the sky fantasy on the part of the UN and the Eurotrash of a Palestinian state come into being by 2005.
11 posted on 10/24/2003 11:48:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mark Felton
For decades now, we have been hearing of the Arab goal of killing or driving all the Jews into the sea....

Haven't we already established the precedent of "Preemptive" strikes?

Defeat the bastards, and dictate surrender terms...

Semper Fi
12 posted on 10/25/2003 12:10:34 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: goldstategop
It's called LAND FOR TERROR.

The Palis couldn't or wouldn't stop the terror, so they lose some land.


13 posted on 10/25/2003 12:13:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mark Felton
...........the United Nations on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a resolution demanding Israel tear it down.

Better idea,.......tear down the Islamic U.N. and build a fence around it's rubble!

Mazel Tov!

14 posted on 10/25/2003 1:04:05 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Mark Felton
Let me get this straight.... anyone who can come and go throught the checkpoints, freely. Only those who are unwanted are kept out.... When the EU accepts Israel's membership, then they can spout off about open boarders:)
15 posted on 10/25/2003 1:35:01 AM PDT by Jumper
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16 posted on 10/25/2003 2:55:53 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Somalia? Well, I guess if you'll count every country with an Arab population, but that would include most of the world...
17 posted on 10/25/2003 3:16:14 AM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: anguish
With a small Arab population that is. CIA world factbook gives 0.4% Arabs in Somalia. No Arabs in Mauritania mentioned in same source
18 posted on 10/25/2003 3:21:38 AM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: Mark Felton
Yes, good fences make good neighbors, but not if your fence is on my land. The fence is not right. Especially since we're paying for it (indirectly).
19 posted on 10/25/2003 5:35:22 AM PDT by Elkhound4
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To: Travis McGee
Land for Terror

We all have the right to self determination in our own land, would you not agree?

Then please bare with me for a moment

Let us say for example, the Germans won the war

They take over the UK and force the UN, with help from the US, (who wants an end to the war and had identified a new enemy; Communism)to recognise that the UK is now part of Germany Proper. They allocate all the nice parts for Germans only and the rest of the citizens living there can move to less well developed areas.

They declare that all well paid jobs will be for Germans only, so if you are not German, you have to leave your job and find alternative work.

As a nation you are furious, but have no real power, if the rest of the world is against you, you ask your fellow (religious and culteral) people for help?

Before they can come to your rescue they are all attacked by Germany (with US intel.)and defeated, the Germans even take more land.

Now the UN states that they should give this land back, but Germany ignores them.

After a while you organise a resistance to the occupation and get money from fellow supporters for a just cause from outside of the country, as they see you as fighting an occupying force, just like the resitance did in France and Poland during the war.

Then the Germans have more people coming from the poorer parts of their colonies, as they will get a cash allowance to start a new life in your country, the only problem is, you have to move, as they want your house and your neibourhood.

You start to fight the only way you know how and with the limited means at your disposal, they call you terrorists and say you will be defeated. The US calls you terrorists and say you should just accept it.

The Germans capture and torture innocent people to find the leaders of the resistance.

You fight back more, as you think, what have we got to lose, they have taken out homes, our jobs, our self asteem, out sons and our future.

Their defence minister of the day authorizes a group of fanatics supported by his government into refugee camps that have been set up to keep the families that were moved from their homes, due to the current occupation.

They massacre men women and children on a large scale

The whole world is in up roar, Germany is condemed, the German government completes an investigation and places the blame on their defence leader, who slips into the shadows for a few years.

The USA forewards more money to support their state

They want a peace treaty as the casualties on their side get a little hard to stomach on a political level.

They say they will give you some of the land back and that you should be happy with it, as it was more than they wanted to give.

The US gives them more money and arms to knock down the resistence.

You refuse to accept such a deal from the Germans

America says you are stupid and should have taken while it was on the table. You advise them your father was born here, your grand father was born here and his father etc. etc. etc. Why should you accept anything less than what is rightfully yours?

America has NO answer

The PM of Germany is shot dead, seemingly for attempting to negociate a peace treaty. A few years later in a fit of desparation, a group of your people who cannot take any more, as they have been born into this mess, as were their fathers, decide to take a revenge and blow themselves up as a maytr for the cause.

Again Germany builds more villages in your cities and moves your people out, they are financed by German banks in the USA.

More attacks agaisnt the occupying forces in the UK result in major casulties on both sides.

No body seems willing on either side to stop or even want to stop.

The US say the terroists should stop killing innocent Germans (even though they are the occupying force) and then gives millions of dollars in aid and arms to Germany to help them in their fight.

The deaths keep on mounting and Germans decide to build a wall to separate all your cities and villages from themselves. As a way of keeping you out.

The whole world is agaisnt this wall and it reminds people of a South African system, that was hated.

However most Americans have never been outside of their country, let alone South Africa, so seem oblivious to it all. And with German owned press and media who can really blame them. (hoh how right George Orwell was)

Can they not see its just a wall your people say, if we cannot get through it, we will go around or underneath it, or if need be, we will strike them outside of our country, will they then build a wall around the whole world?

Tell them to give us our land back, all of it, not a part, or a half, but all of it, as we will never surrender.

A young boy asks:

Why does America support an occupying force? A force that condems people to a life time of poverty, when America fought countless wars so Americans would be free?

Only God and the the American people know the answer to that one my son. If one day they look into their hearts, we may get an answer, but hatred is pretty hard to see through.

20 posted on 10/25/2003 8:57:53 AM PDT by John_11_25
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