Brain-Damaged Fla. Woman Recieving [sic] Fluids

Associated Press ^ | 10-21-03

[NonValueAdded]

... is no less then legislative usurption of the judicial branch.

Not exactly. The legislature and the executive branch make the laws, the judiciary enforces them. From time to time the judiciary either acts contrary to the intent of the legislature or makes a decision where the law is not clear. Nothing precludes the other branches from taking corrective action. This isn't preclusion, it is exactly how the system is designed to work, providing that the new law passes constitutional muster. Remember, a constitutional amendment overrules even the supreme court so the word of the judiciary is not ultimately final.

Is this the best way to make law? No. It is quite possible that there will be loopholes found or unintended consequences as a result of hasty action. However, something had to be done and done quickly. There is time to perfect things later.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Roger that! PS: Like your tag. LOL!

[Defender2]

#59. This thread is correct, now. The latest round ended in Victory around 9:30EDT this evening!!!! Terri is getting what she needs, Thanks be to God!!!! It took us FReepers and Some Very Good Souls, (one from Washington, D.C.)!!!! And Thank You Very Much, Governer Jeb Bush, Judge Baird, Mr. Marshall!!!! Praise be unto God!!!!:-)

[Mfkmmof4]

None of us want to live as Terri does BUT none of us want to die a death by starvation. That is not God's will.

[Defender2]

And Thank You TOO, Ragtime CowGirl!!!!:-) Praise Be unto God!!!!:-)

[grania]

He already is living with another woman and has a child with the same woman

That's an astounding fact. Is there such a thing as common-law divorce? I don't even know why they're talking to this ghoul...it seems he relinquished his position as Terri's guardian and to any money it involved when he moved on.

One can't help but wonder if all of those involved in the decision making were stalling, so they could look like they were doing something, but nothing happens.

We all pray for Terri's survival.

[kennedyd]

Not exactly. The legislature and the executive branch make the laws, the judiciary enforces them.

Not exactly. The legislature makes the law (exercises will) and the judiciary interprets law (exercises judgement). Enforcement is an exercise of power, and properly belongs to the executive branch.

[FR_addict]

Christopher Reeves has a much lower quality of life, but he choose to live and be a role model for others.
Stephen Hawkings has a very low quality of life, but he shooses to live too.

Terri is brain damaged. Rehabilitation is normal for brain damaged people, but her husband chose not to give it to her. I hope that she does not have as much pain as a normal person, but she is a person and does not deserve to be starved to death slowly over many days.

That is why some states outlaw the removal of feeding tubes. It is not the same as pulling the plug on someone who is brain dead and only being kept alive by machines.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Your rant is quite understandable and in the light of the Schiavo case, relevant IMO. And,

Once the word "health" was being used with 'saving the life and health of the mother', this code phrase began being implemented as abortion at any time on demand, for "mental health" was assumed part of the equation.

Agreed. This is the keystone to their current argument. Time to pull it out as the blatant and depraved falsity that it is -- "If the child is born I will be emotionally unsettled because I will no longer be able to 'Do my own thing'".

[ALOHA RONNIE]

GOD is GOOD

[tarheal]

Don't kid yourself-- an adult who requires full custodial care takes a tremendous amount of work, and it is very expensive. She needs a very expensive hospital bed. She has to be turned every 2 hours or so, cleaned and bathed, taken to doctors occasionally. The feeding tube will clog occasionally, may get infected. A million $ isn't all that much in this setting and is probably mostly gone after all the care she has required over the past decade, not to mention the legal bills.

Do you really want your state legislature to make medical decisions concerning your care at the end of your life?

[Cicero]

I'm delighted that she was moved to a proper hospital. The nursing home she was in was far too willing to give in to the husband's interference. No therapy, no proper treatment, they could no longer be trusted to care for her.

Her husband, meanwhile, was "deeply troubled, angry and saddened."

Is this a direct quote from Tom Daschle?

[sc2_ct]

Does anyone have any more information on this? I haven't heard anything else about this anywhere I look. It says that she isn't actually getting re-hydrated as everyone believes, and I'm just looking for someone to confirm or deny this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1005315/posts?page=286#286

[FR_addict]

"Do you really want your state legislature to make medical decisions concerning your care at the end of your life? "

I sure wouldn't want a spouse who I planned to divorce just before my mysterious collapse, making the decisions.

[nmh]

Do you personally know this Terri? Have yo become so cold hearted so as to undermine someone who does know Terri well? Her parents. Do you really believe that dear hubby, living with another woman who is pregnant with his second child does NOT have reason to want her dead? Hav eyou ever wondered why dear hubby doesn't just divorce Terri and move on? It's because of the money that belongs to Terri. If Terri didn't have to will to live, she would have been dead a lont time ago.

What's wrong with you?

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Forbid that the Gods in the Judiciary should circumvent the intention of the lawmakers. Perhaps you missed the relevent portions of the US Constitution in your youth. If you want to live in a society of the all-powerful learned elite, IMO you should move to Red China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.

[nmh]

"Some thoughts and facts: "

Thoughts, yes, facts no.

"Although counterintuitive, what was being done to Terri was not inhumane. Conscious patients with terminal diseases (usually advanced cancer) sometimes elect to stop receiving food and drink."

Your premise to promote her murder is inaccurate. She does NOT have a termianl disease. The problem is you see her as disposable since she doesn't measure up to your standards. Your concern about money is also crude. If her parents ahd the money to fight for her life. They'll find the money for help in her care as well as get the money Terri was awarded.

[jimkress]

Don't kid yourself-- an adult who requires full custodial care takes a tremendous amount of work, and it is very expensive. She needs a very expensive hospital bed. She has to be turned every 2 hours or so, cleaned and bathed, taken to doctors occasionally. The feeding tube will clog occasionally, may get infected. A million $ isn't all that much in this setting and is probably mostly gone after all the care she has required over the past decade, not to mention the legal bills.

So, in your mind the criteria for requiring someone be put to death is when they become inconvenient? If their continued life requires the expending of money they should die? Would you want this criteria applied to you?

How pathetic! Spoken like a true member of the culture of death.

[tarheal]

There is nothing wrong with me. I have seen too many times patients being kept alive by machines and technology in an ICU to assuage a family member's feelings of guilt due to whatever inadequacy was present during the time when life was full. I have told my wife of 3 decades that if I'm ever in that state, let me go to heaven, and please try to live your life to the fullest. Miss me, mourn for me, don't forget about me, but do whatever you can to regain the happiness that we had together, even if (especially if) you find another to share your happiness with.

Nobody knows for sure what relationship she had with her parents or husband, but both in law and in the Bible the spouse has priority over the wishes of the parents of an adult who can't speak for herself.

Terri is gone. Her soul and spirit are already in heaven. If her husband mistreated her, investigate and punish him according to law, but don't torture her memory by preserving her biochemistry.

[CMAC51]

>> This whole situation stinks. There are things worse than death, and Terri is there. <<

Your evaluation of Terri's awareness and responsiveness only become valid once efforts have been made to provide her with rehabilitative therapy. Here husband for 13 years has refused to allow any, absolutely any, support that could provide stimulation and therapy for Terri. He has gone so far as to stop nurses from giving her sponge baths and other routine care. Given proper therapy she may be much more cognitive than anyone can guess right now.