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USO Canteen FReeper Style ~ Roman Gladiators ~ October 21, 2003
Roman Gladiatorial Games ^ | October 21, 2003 | LaDivaLoca

Posted on 10/21/2003 2:40:01 AM PDT by LaDivaLoca

 
 
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ROMAN GLADIATORS

The first gladiatorial contest at Rome took place in 264 BC as part of aristocratic funerary ritual, a munus or funeral gift for the dead. Decimus Junius Brutus put on a gladiatorial combat in honor of his deceased father with three pairs of slaves serving as gladiators in the Forum Boarium (a commercial area that was named after the Roman cattle market) . The Romans called a gladiatorial contest a munus, that is, 'a duty' paid by descendants to a dead ancestor. The munus served the purpose of keeping alive the memory of an important individual after death. Munera were held some time after the funeral and were often repeated at annual or five-year intervals.  Gladiatorial fights were not  incorporated into public games until the late first century.

Festus, a second century AD scholar, suggests that gladiatorial combat was a substitution for an original sacrifice of prisoners on the tombs of great warriors. There is an interesting parallel for this in the Iliad. Achilles sacrificed twelve Trojan boys on Patroclus’ tomb (23.175-76). This practice is perhaps based on the idea that blood could restore life to the dead. One thinks of the ghosts in the Odyssey who come up out of the depths, attracted by the animal blood of animals slaughtered by Odysseus (12.95-96). Tertullian, a second century AD Christian writer, claimed that gladiatorial combat was a human sacrifice to the manes or spirits of the dead (De Spect. 12.2-3).

Gladiators were usually recruited from criminals, slaves (especially captured fugitives), and prisoners of war. Criminals, having lost their citizen rights and slaves and prisoners of war having none, had no choice about becoming a gladiator, if they had the physical and emotional make-up necessary for the profession. Some free-born men, however, although they had not lost their citizen rights, voluntarily chose the profession and bound themselves body and soul to the owner of a gladiatorial troupe (lanista) by swearing an oath "to endure branding, chains, flogging or death by the sword" and to do whatever the master ordered (Petronius Sat. 117.5). It has been estimated that by the end of the Republic, about half of the gladiators were volunteers (auctorati), who took on the status of a slave for an agreed-upon period of time.

But why would a free man want to become a gladiator? When he took the gladiator’s oath, he agreed to be treated as a slave and suffered the ultimate social disgrace (infamia).  Seneca describes the oath as "most shameful" (Ep. 37.1-2).   As unattractive as this may sound to us, there were advantages. The candidate's life took on new meaning. He became a member of a cohesive group that was known for its courage, good morale, and absolute fidelity to its master to the point of death. His life became a model of military discipline and through courageous behavior he was also now capable of achieving honor similar to that enjoyed by Roman soldiers on the battlefield. There were other advantages. For example, an aristocrat who had suffered a great financial setback in a lawsuit or who had squandered his inheritance would find it extremely difficult to make a living. After all, he had spent his life living on inherited wealth and was not used to working for a living. He could enter the army or become a school teacher, or take up a life of crime as a bandit.  In comparison with these occupations, a career as a gladiator might seem more attractive. He would not fight more than 2 or 3 times a year and would have a chance at fame and wealth (with which they could buy their freedom), employing those military skills that were appropriate to the citizen-soldier. In the arena, the volunteer gladiator could indulge his fantasy of military glory and fame before an admiring crowd. As a gladiator, he could achieve the kind of public adulation that modern athletes enjoy today. 

The gladiator was often the object of female adoration. This is clear in the following graffiti from Pompeii (CIL 4.4397 and 4356):

Celadus the Thracian, three times victor and three times crowned, adored by young girls.

Crescens the nocturnal netter (retiarius) of young girls.

Apparently aristocratic matrons also found gladiators especially attractive. Juvenal tells us of a senator’s wife named Eppia, who ran off with her gladiator lover to Egypt (6.82 ff.). Of course, the free man would have to weigh these advantages with the risk of an early, violent death and the status of a slave. But perhaps that would have been better than becoming a schoolteacher!

Even women fought as gladiators, although rarely. Aristocratic women and men fought as an entertainment for Nero in 63 AD. Domitian had women fight by torchlight and on another occasion had women fight with dwarves. Romans loved these exotic gladiatorial combats. In Petronius, one character looks forward to the appearance of a female gladiator called an essedaria , she  (Sat. 45.7.2). The banning of female gladiators by Septimius Severus (late second, early 3rd cent. AD) suggests that women were taking up this occupation in alarming numbers.

It should also be noted that some emperors were swept away by gladiator mania, such as Caligula and Commodus (late second century AD). Both of these emperors actually appeared in the arena as gladiators, no doubt with opponents who were careful to inflict no harm. Both of these emperors were mentally unstable and apparently felt no inhibitions in indulging their gladiatorial fantasies. But gladiator mania affected not only the mentally unbalanced. At least seven other emperors of sound mind (including Titus and Hadrian) either practiced as gladiators or fought in gladiatorial contests. 

Gladiators were owned by a person called a lanista and were trained in the lanista’s school (ludus). Gladiatorial combat was as much a science as modern boxing (Sen. Ep. 22.1). Training involved the learning of a series of figures, which were broken down into various phases. Sometimes fans complained that a gladiator fought too mechanically, according to the numbers. In the early Empire there were four major gladiatorial schools, but by this time, the training of gladiators had been taken over by the state. No doubt it was thought too dangerous to allow private citizens to own and train gladiators,  who could be easily turned into a private army for revolutionary purposes. Therefore, with very few exceptions, gladiators were under the control and ownership of the emperor, although the lantista continued to train and own gladiators outside of Rome. The lanista made a profit by renting or selling the troupe. This was a very lucrative business, but on the other hand, he was viewed as among the lowest of the low on the social scale. The objection was that these men derived their whole income from treating human beings like animals.  Auguet writes: 

In the eyes of the Romans he was regarded as both a butcher and a pimp. He played the role of scapegoat; it was upon him that society cast all the scorn and contempt aroused by an institution which reduced men to the status of merchandise or cattle.3

By a rather tortured rationalization an upper-class citizen could own and maintain his own troupe and even hire them out without suffering the scorn of his fellow aristocrats. The saving factor was that the citizen was a dabbler and not a professional: his main source of income did not derive from his ownership of gladiators.

This is a famous painting (1872) called "Pollice Verso" ("Turned Thumb" by Jean-Léon Gérôme from a phrase in Juvenal)  that represents a victorious gladiator facing spectators, who are demanding the death of his defeated opponent.  Gérôme had done research into gladiatorial apparatus.  The defeated fighter, a retiarius ("net-man") is depicted accurately; he has no helmet or shield and his weapons are a net and a trident (on the ground nearby - clearly visible only in the large image).  The depiction of the victor, however, is problematic.  Each item of armor by itself is accurately represented, but the combination is erroneous.  The standard opponent of the retiarius is a secutor ("pursuer"), who carried an curved oblong shield, but the victor in the painting carries a round shield (hardly visible even in the larger image) typical of the hoplomachus ('heavily-armed gladiator')Moreover, his helmet with its high crest is that of a murmillo.

To the right,  we see a secutor (with his curved oblong shield) moving in on a retiarius, who has lost his net and his trident (lying on the ground).  He still holds his dagger, but he has been badly wounded in the calf and is on the point of giving up.  The retiarius is easy to identify because he is the only gladiator with no helmet or shield. Another identifying factor is the high metal shoulder guard (galerus), which is unique to the retiarius.  Finally, the protective sleeve called a manica (heavy linen quilting held on by straps) protects his left arm, while the secutor (and all other categories of gladiator) wears the sleeve his right arm.

The retiarius was also special because his gear was not inspired by the military. In essence, he was a fisherman, as his net and trident imply.  The purpose of the small eye-holes was to prevent the narrow prongs of the retiarius' trident from penetrating to the eyes. 
 

Another gladiatorial type was the murmillo, whose name was derived from a Greek word for a kind of fish, probably because the high crest of the murmillo's helmet resembled a fish (see right).   In fact, the secutor was likely an off-shoot of the murmillo.   Both the murmillo and the secutor had a curved, oblong shield and the helmet of the latter just made the suggestion of a fish more obvious.  The murmillo normally fought the hoplomachus.  This pair can be seen in the image to the lower left.  The murmillo has let his curved, oblong shield fall to the ground and points the forefinger of his left hand up in the air, both signals of submission.  The murmillo is indicating his desire to submit to a referee (wearing a tunic).  The victorious hoplomachus, recognizable because of his round shield, is on the far left.  Both gladiators wear the standard equipment of heavily-armed fighters: the manica (protective sleeve), loin cloth with subligaculum (belt), and greaves (metal leg-protectors). 

The murmillo sometimes fought a thraex ('Thracian').  These fighters were quite similar in appearance but can be differentiated by their shields.  The thraex has a smallish rectangular shield in comparison with the typical oblong shield of the murmillo (see right). There were, however,  two gladiatorial categories of gladiators that only fought opponents of the same type:  the eques ('horseman') and the provocator ('challenger')On the left are two equites.  Both have lost their shields, but one has emerged victorious.  The referee is holding the right hand of the victor and both seem to be awaiting the recommendation of the crowd and the final decision of the editor.  Their apparel makes them easy to identify: brimless helmet with visor and two feathers, and a tunic to mid-thigh (in comparison with the naked torso of most gladiators).  These gladiators were called horsemen probably because they began their fight (or just entered the arena) on horseback .  They, however, finished their fight on foot.  The provocatores are distinguishable by a helmet without crest, a curved rectangular shield, and a sword with a straight blade.  In addition, the provocator was the only gladiator to have effective protection for the upper body:  a rectangular breastplate (as can be seen on the figure on the far right in the middle panel of this relief).  The provocator thus lacked what was a badge of honor for other heavily-armed gladiators: a naked torso.
 

There were other gladiatorial types of which we have no visual evidence.  Perhaps the most popular was the essedarius (war-chariot fighter), a name derived from a Celtic chariot (essedum).  The essedarius fought on foot and probably used the chariot to make a spectacular entrance to the arena.


 

It should be noted here that there is absolutely no evidence that the gladiators addressed the emperor with the famous "Hail emperor, they who are about to die, salute you." This sentence was addressed only on one occasion to Claudius by condemned criminals who were about to participate in a naumachia , a staged naval battle (Suetonius, Claudius 21.6). Since it was the purpose of this naumachia to serve as a means of executing criminals by having them kill each other, it is not surprising that they are pessimistic about their survival as their address to the emperor indicates. 

In this picture we have a scene from the arena. On the far left there is a herm (the column on top of which was a bust of Hermes, and against  which a shield is leaning). Next there are five musicians, who provide musical accompaniment to the gladiatorial combats, capturing the shifting moods of combat with their music (just as piano players or orchestras used to accompany the showing of silent movies). The musician on the far left plays a long straight trumpet (tubicen). In the middle a woman plays a water-organ (organum) and on the right three musicians play a large curved instrument called a lituus. Above them is a "couch of Libitina" ready for its next occupant.

When one gladiator was wounded, the typical cries from the spectators were "habet, hoc habet (he’s had it)" or "habet, peractum est (he's had it, it's all over)."  Some contests were designated ahead of time as sine missione ("without release," i.e. to the death), so in these fights the referee would allow the gladiator with the advantage to proceed until he killed his opponent (there were no rounds nor time limit in any form of gladiatorial contest).  This type of contest, however, was rare, at least in the early empire, because of humanitarian concerns and the expense to the editor, who had to reimburse the lanista.   Augustus even outlawed contests sine missione, although this injunction probably did not remain in effect in later centuries.

In the more typical contest, when one opponent had decided that he was defeated, he could indicate submission and request mercy.  In the image to the left, a defeated gladiator, who has thrown his shield to the ground, gives a signal of submission to the referee with the forefinger of his left hand.  The victorious fighter stands proudly, still holding his shield.  As literary sources make clear, the spectators expressed their judgment with some gesture involving the thumb (pollice verso, "turned thumb"). What is not clear is whether the Romans used thumb gestures in the same way as we do: up for yes (life), down for no (death). More likely, thumb-up meant death for the defeated gladiator (representing the death blow with the point of a sword into the neck) and thumb down, salvation.  Unfortunately, there is no visual evidence that can confirm or contradict this interpretation.

Those who urged mercy for the defeated gladiator called out "mitte" ("release him") and waved the hem of their garment.  The final decision lay with the editor, the giver of the games, who most often under the empire was the emperor himself.  If the decision was death, there was a ritual to be performed, which would bring honor in death for the loser. With one knee on the ground, the loser grasped the thigh of the victor, who, while holding the helmet or head of his opponent, plunged his sword into his neck.This was the moment of truth, which fascinated the Roman audience, just as bull-fight fans in Spain and southern France are mesmerized today by the death of the bull.

The only task left now was to remove the dead body. An attendant impersonating Pluto, the god of the dead, struck the corpses with a mallet, perhaps signifying the god's ownership of the body. Another attendant dressed as Mercury, escorter of souls to the underworld, used his wand, which was in reality a hot iron, to see whether the gladiator was really dead or not. There was no escape by feigning death.

The winner received from the editor a palm branch and a sum of money.  A laurel crown was awarded for an especially outstanding performance.  The victor  then ran around the perimeter of the amphitheater, waving the palm.  The ultimate prize awarded to gladiators was permanent discharge from the obligation to fight in the arena, most certainly in recognition of a brilliant career rather than of just one performance.  As a symbol of this award, the editor gave the gladiator a wooden sword (rudis), perhaps to suggest that he no longer had to fight with real weapons at the risk of his life.

 



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To: MoJo2001
You too, MoJo(HUGS). We're forecast to hit the lower 90's today here in SW Ok.
41 posted on 10/21/2003 5:25:58 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Hey You!

Yeah! You!

I realize that you must be thinking that you'd love to write to the troops, but you don't really know how to do it.
(Amazing that links such as the above are provided with easy clicking on features. It's modern technology made lazy for you!)

If you are bored or looking for something to do, write the Troops. Mr.Tonkin doesn't post the link for our military to write to themselves, but for people like you reading this message and the thread.

Just think about it. It only takes a few minutes. (If that!) And it could bring a smile to the face of one of our brave heroes. Just like you sometimes have a bad day. They may as well. Wouldn't it be nice to just open a friendly email from home saying "Thank You" or "I'm Thinking About You" or something. It definitely makes you feel better and it will have the intended effect on our troops.

Of course someone else does it. Yet, not enough people do it. As a matter of fact, I'm wasting time writing this to you. I could be writing one of them now, but I couldn't allow you to be a keyboard slacker without mentioning it.

Anyone can be a "zero", but very few can be a "hero". Why not be one today for our own brave heroes!!

42 posted on 10/21/2003 5:26:07 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
That's not Mr.Goat! What did you do with Mr.Goat??? Huh?? This is a national crisis. You better find him now!! Now! Now! Now! Now! Now! Now! Now! Now!



(Thus begins the saga to search for Mr.Goat. Tune in later today to find out whether or not Mr. Goat is alive or whether it's a deep conspiracy to hide the truth. Next time on Mr.Goat's Files!)
43 posted on 10/21/2003 5:28:28 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: E.G.C.
Oh please!! Send me some heat! I think it's going to be in the 50s today. Which is totally cold for me at the moment. Maybe I'm catching my little one's cold. Yucky!
44 posted on 10/21/2003 5:29:18 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Oh Thanks for the pancakes, but where's the bacon and the rest of the stuff I asked for. Also, where's Mr.Goat?
45 posted on 10/21/2003 5:30:06 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: LaDivaLoca
On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on October 21:
1772 Samuel Taylor Coleridge England, poet (Rime of the Ancient Mariner)
1790 Alphonse-Marie Louis de Lamartine Macon France, writer (Ren‚)
1833 Alfred Bernhard Nobel Stockholm, created dynamite & Peace Prizes
1908 Alexander Schneider Vilna (Lithuania) Russia, violinist (Budapest String Quartet)
1912 Sir Georg Solti Budapest Hungary, conductor (Fidelio)
1914 Martin Gardner Scientific American math & puzzles columnist
1917 Dizzy Gillespie trumpeter, a creator of modern jazz
1921 Malcolm Arnold Northampton Engld, composer (Bridge over River Kwai)
1925 Joyce Randolph Detroit Mich, actress (Trixie-Honeymooners)
1926 Leonard Rossiter Liverpool England, actor (Britannia Hospital)
1928 Edward "Whitey" Ford hall of fame pitcher (NY Yankees)
1929 Ursula LeGuin American writer (Lathe of Heaven)
1933 Georgia Brown actress (Study in Terror, The Fixer)
1940 Frances FitzGerald NYC, journalist/author (Fire in the Lake)
1940 Manfred Mann rocker (The Mighty Quinn)
1940 Osamu Watanabe Japan, featherweight (Olympic-gold-1964)
1942 Elvin Bishop Okla, rocker (Fooled Around & Fell in Love)
1943 Paula Kelly Jacksonville Fla, dancer/actress (Liz-Night Court)
1945 Kathy Young rocker (Thousand Stars in the Sky)
1950 Ronald E McNair Lake City SC, astr (STS 41B, 51L-Challenger disaster)
1953 Charlotte Caffey singer (GoGos-Our Lips are Sealed)
1956 Carrie Fisher Beverly Hills, actress (Star Wars-Princess Lelia)
1959 George Bell Dom Rep, outfielder (Blue Jays, 1987 AL MVP)
1971 Jade Jagger daughter of Mick Jagger
1976 Jeremy Miller West Covina Calif, actor (Ben-Growing Pains)



Deaths which occurred on October 21:
1422 Charles VI, King of France (1380-1422), dies at 54
1805 Adm Horatio Nelson dies in the Battle of Trafalgar
1831 Nat Turner 19 associates, hung
1966 Gertrude Hoffman actress (Mrs Odetts-My Little Margie), dies at 95
1967 Ejnar Hertzsprung Danish astrophysicist, dies at 94
1984 Francois Truffaut director, dies at 52 of brain cancer
1987 Ying-Chin Ho Taiwan govt official, dies at 88
1992 Jackson Weaver, voice of Smokey the Bear, dies of diabetes
1992 Jim Garrison, Louisiana DA (investigate JFK assassination), dies at 70
1992 Shirley Booth, actress (Hazel), dies at 94
1995 Maxene Andrews, vocalist (Andrews Sister), dies of heart attack at 79


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1966 EARLL DAVID J.---DALLAS TX.
[NO PARA OBS NO BEEP]
1967 HEMMEL CLARENCE J.---JEFFERSON CITY MO.
1968 FINLEY DICKIE W.---SWEET SPRINGS MO.
1968 KNABB KENNETH K.---WHEATON IL.
1969 COOK GLENN R.---CHARLOTTE NC.
1969 ESPENSHIELD JOHN L.---DELAWARE OH.
[REMAINS RETURNED 05/89]


POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
2137 -BC- 1st recorded total eclipse of the sun China
0310 St Eusebius ends his reign as Catholic Pope
0335 Constantinople emperor Constantine the Great Rules --laws against Jews
686 Conon begins his reign as Catholic Pope
1096 Sultan Kilidj Arslan of Nicea defeats 1st Crusaders
1520 Magellan entered the strait which bears his name
1529 The Pope names Henry VIII of England Defender of the Faith after defending the seven sacraments against Luther
1600 Tokugawa Ieyasu defeats his enemies in battle and affirms his position as Japan's most powerful warlord.
1797 US Navy frigate Constitution, Old Ironsides, launched in Boston
1805 Battle of Trafalgar, Adm Nelson defeats French & Spanish fleet & dies
1861 Battle of Balls Bluff, Va
1867 Many leaders of the Kiowa, Comanche and Kiowa-Apache sign a peace treaty at Medicine Lodge, Kan. Comanche Chief Quanah Parker refused to accept the treaty terms.
1868 Severe earthquake at 7:53 AM, centered in Hayward, Calif
1869 1st shipment of fresh oysters comes overland from Baltimore
1871 1st US amateur outdoor athletic games (NY)
1879 Thomas Edison perfects the carbonized cotton filament light bulb
1897 Yerkes Observatory of the University of Chicago is dedicated
1905 England Pilgrim Assn beats All NY 11, 7-1 in soccer at Polo Grounds
1915 1st transatlantic radiotelephone message, Arlington, Va to Paris
1917 1st Americans to see action on the front lines of WW I
1918 Margaret Owen sets world typing speed record of 170 wpm for 1 min
1923 Deutsches Museum, Mnchen, 1st Walther Bauersfeld Zeiss Planetarium
1935 Hank Greenberg selected AL MVP unanimously
1944 During WWII, US troops capture Aachen, 1st large German city to fall
1945 Women in France allowed to vote for 1st time
1948 Facsimile high-speed radio transmission demonstrated (Washington DC)
1950 Chinese forces occupy Tibet
1950 Tom Powers of Duke scores 6 touchdowns
1959 Guggenheim Museum, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, opens (NYC)
1960 JFK & Nixon clashed in 4th & final presidential debate (NYC)
1966 144 die as a coal waste landslide engulfs a school in S Wales
1967 Thousands opposing Vietnam War try to storm the Pentagon
1969 Bloodless coup in Somalia (National Day)
1970 777 Unification church couples wed in Korea
1970 Caledonian Airways takes over British United Airways
1971 Nixon nominates Lewis F Powell & William H Rehnquist to US Supreme Court, following resignations of Justices Hugo Black & John Harlan
1973 A's manager Dick Williams quits after A's beat Mets in 70th World Series
1974 1st Islander shut-out opponent-Billy Smith 5-0 vs Caps
1975 Mexico City's 1st major subway accident takes 26 lives
1975 Red Sox Carlton Fisk's 12th inning HR beats Reds 7-6 in game 6 of WS
1975 Venera 9, first craft to orbit the planet Venus launched
1976 American Saul Bellow wins Nobel Prize for Literature
1976 Cin Reds sweep NY Yankees, in 73rd World Series
1976 NY Knicks retire 1st number, # 19, Willis Reed
1977 US recalls William Bowdler, ambassador to South Africa
1979 Greta Waitz wins woman participation in NYC marathon (02:27:33)
1980 1st (& only) time Phillies win the World Series (in 98 years) (World Series #77)
1984 Steve Jones runs Chicago Marathon in world record 2:08:05
1987 Senate debate begins rejecting Robert Bork's Supreme Ct nomination
1988 Boston Celtics beat Yugoslavia 113-85 in Madrid
1988 Ferdinand & Imelda Marcos indicted on racketeering charges
1989 Buck Helm found alive after being buried 4 days, in SF earthquake
1989 Houston becomes 1st major college team to gain 1000 yards in a game
1989 1st black owners (Betram Lee & Peter Bynoe) to own a major sports team, purchasing Denver Nuggets for $65m
1991 24 die in a fire in Oakland Calif
1991 US hostage Jesse Turner released from 5 years in captivity in Beirut
1993 Military coup by Burundi Pres Ndadaye/525,000 Hutu's flee
1997 Elton John's tribute to Diana breaks world record, 318 million dist(Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.)



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

England : Trafalgar Day (1805)
Hondurous : Army Day (1956)
Hong Kong : Kite Flying Festival
Laos : Full Moon Holiday
Somali/Sudan : Revolution Day (1964)
Alaska : Alaska Day (1867) (Monday)
US : National Day of Prayer (Wednesday)
National Business Women's Week (Day 2)
National Shampoo Week (Day 3)
Gourmet Coffee Week Ends :-(
National Clock Month
Spinal Health Month
National Sarcastics' Awareness Month


Religious Observances
RC : Commemoration of St Hilarion, abbot, ascetic, lover of solitude
RC : Commemoration of St Ursula, virgin, patron of brides



Religious History
1532 German reformer Martin Luther declared: 'For some years now I have read through the Bible twice every year. If you picture the Bible to be a mighty tree and every word a little branch, I have shaken every one of these branches because I wanted to know what it was and what it meant.'
1692 William Penn was deposed as Governor of Pennsylvania. His overtures of gratefulness to James II for permitting religious freedom for dissenters of the Church of England led William and Mary to charge Penn with being a papist.
1751 The first Baptist association in the American South was organized at Charleston, SC. It was formed under the initiative of Oliver Hart, who had left the Philadelphia area to become pastor of the Charleston Baptist Church in 1749.
1808 Birth of American Baptist clergyman Samuel Francis Smith. Credited with writing over 100 hymns, Smith is best remembered as the author of "America" ("My Country, 'Tis of Thee"), written at age 23, while a student at Andover Seminary.
1892 Birth of James L Kelso, American Presbyterian archaeologist. He participated in digs at the biblical sites of Debir, Bethel and Jericho, and authored the text "Ceramic Vocabulary of the O.T."

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."


You might be out of touch with reality if...
you talk for ten minutes to the answering machine and wonder why no one is talking back.


Murphys Law of the day...
If anything simply cannot go wrong...It will anyway!


Amazing fact #s 78,025/78,026...
Sylvia Plath was a famous poet who killed herself at age 31 by sticking her head in an oven.
Sylvia Plath's husband, Ted Hughes, was married three times, and two of the women he married committed suicide.
46 posted on 10/21/2003 5:33:51 AM PDT by Valin (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.)
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To: MoJo2001

47 posted on 10/21/2003 5:37:14 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (No goats were used in this post)
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To: Valin; All

1995 Maxene Andrews, vocalist (Andrews Sister), dies of heart attack at 79

The Andrews Sisters: Jukebox Memories
(Click)

Your guess is as good as mine as to which one Maxene is. Hmmm.....

48 posted on 10/21/2003 5:40:03 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: Valin
Hey!
Didn't you post this same post last year on Oct 21st ?
49 posted on 10/21/2003 5:40:11 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (History DOES repeat itself.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Nice try!! Where's Mr.Goat?????????????????
50 posted on 10/21/2003 5:40:24 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Did you feel the love?? Well, of course you didn't.


FIND MR.GOAT!!
51 posted on 10/21/2003 5:40:56 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: MoJo2001
what?
52 posted on 10/21/2003 5:41:15 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (History DOES repeat itself.)
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To: MoJo2001
"Where's Mr.Goat?????????????????"

On covert operations somewhere on the Oregon Coast
53 posted on 10/21/2003 5:44:25 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Secret Agent Mr Goat, Secret Agent Mr Goat)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
On covert operations somewhere on the Oregon Coast

In other words, YOU TRADED HIM AGAIN!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

54 posted on 10/21/2003 5:45:23 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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1971 Jade Jagger daughter of Mick Jagger
 


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Mick Jagger with daughter, Jade.
Photo is from here.

55 posted on 10/21/2003 5:47:47 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: MoJo2001
"In other words, YOU TRADED HIM AGAIN!!"

Nope! He's checking on wacko eco terrorists
56 posted on 10/21/2003 5:53:39 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Secret Agent Mr Goat, Secret Agent Mr Goat)
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1997 Elton John's tribute to Diana breaks world record, 318 million distributed.

 


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Princess Diana
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57 posted on 10/21/2003 5:53:58 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Well, why didn't you say so.

Please post the correct picture of Mr.Goat when he comes home. Hehehe!
58 posted on 10/21/2003 5:54:33 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: Valin
Thank you for posting the history!! Have a fabulous day!! *HUGS*
59 posted on 10/21/2003 5:55:05 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Wake me up when we start the next media fantasized quagmire. I get confused!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
And everyone says you're dumber than a post! Well don't you believe them, IMO you are the intellectual equal of any post I've ever seen...and smarter than a good 30% of them.

Don't worry I'll stick up for you.
60 posted on 10/21/2003 5:56:55 AM PDT by Valin (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject)
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