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Best beginner rifle (Vanity)
Vanity ^ | 10-18-03 | Me

Posted on 10/18/2003 11:37:40 AM PDT by dogbyte12

I am about to finally leave the urban jungle of Los Angeles and move down to both Louisiana and South Carolina. While I do fish out here, I have only gone hunting a few times with borrowed equipment.

I am interested in starting to hunt, and would love for any freepers to give me recommendations on a good beginner rifle, something that isn't so pricey, but reliable, as well as any other gear that I will need as a beginner.

I am not a stranger to handguns, or to military rifles, I qualified expert on both a .45 and an M16, so I am not starting from scratch, but I am looking for a rifle for deer hunting basically that will not set me back too much money, yet still be a decent value. I plan to not spend that much money so it can be economical. I do know how to fabricate a carcass, and would love to hunt for meat, without the cost of hunting making it more expensive than going to the supermarket.

Any help in this regard, web sites, consumer reports, etc, would be much appreciated. Thanks all.


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To: TexasCowboy
I had a 7mm Weatherby Magnum Mark V one time that was so damn pretty I hated to shoot it.

I know just what you mean. I would, however, consider trading my best old 30-30 for that .50, even if it is damn pretty.

421 posted on 10/19/2003 8:12:33 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: autoresponder; dogbyte12; *bang_list; yall
Dogbyte12:

I can't help you regarding the kind of rifle you want to get, but I see you mentioned wanting to keep you cost DOWN !

Make SURE you check out eBay once you decide what kind of gun you want.

Here is a search on eBay for 30-06 Rifle and I see there is ONE listed on that page that mostly has accessories on it. I don't know how many hunting rifles there might be on eBay at any given time, but it's worth a shot (pardon the pun, lol !!) ...

Just an example to help you out, hopefully ...


422 posted on 10/19/2003 8:51:13 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks alot. I appreciate it.

I am looking at things all over the place. I am drooling over rifles I am not going to buy.

Tell me what ya think of the new Mauser M03 It just came on the market last month. Bet it costs an arm and a leg though.

423 posted on 10/19/2003 8:55:54 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: lodwick
Brilliant defense of the .30/.30.

Thanks Lodwick.

424 posted on 10/19/2003 8:58:34 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: PoorMuttly; yall
Some people may think these "gun threads" are primitive testosterone-fests...but some of us...I notice the ones with the most knowlege and experience, are the deepest people you could ever meet...and navigate by.

Amen, Muttly - good luck with it today.
425 posted on 10/19/2003 9:20:53 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: everyone
Real Guns

426 posted on 10/19/2003 9:44:36 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: dogbyte12
Really nice looking.

I'm not a big gun or rifle person. I have owned two. A 22 rifle and a 12 gauge Winchester shotgun. The 22 I ended up giving to a friend when it had a few problems and he fixed it up. The shotgun I bought in 1974 and still have it.

Don't forget about eBay. A friend got me interested in them because he bought and sold stuff there. You can pick up good stuff and at a bargain. I was looking for a digital camera and was watching some of the auctions for an HP 318 digital camera that sells for $150-$175 new. They were going for $70-$90 plus shipping on eBay ($8-12 for shipping). Every time I'd bid on one, I'd get outbid at the very last minute, and they would pick it up for around $90. So finally I bid on another one (at the LAST minute of the auction) and finally won. It was like brand new with ALL the stuff (software, cable, etc.). And I got it for $66 plus $9 shipping. I was a happy camper. The guy shipped it the next day and it's doing great still.

Anyway, good luck on your quest for a hunting rifle !! ...


427 posted on 10/19/2003 9:47:33 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: dogbyte12
Either a 30-30 Winchester or 8MM Yugo Mauser.

Shotguns, either a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870.

What I have done in the past is talk to a gunshop owner and find out how much he charges for an FFL. You do all the ordering out of the Shotgun News and then have the firearm picked up at the shop where the paperwork is filled out. The charges are usually 20-25 dollars.
428 posted on 10/19/2003 9:51:15 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: SLB; TexasCowboy; PoorMuttly
Same here....when I was a pup we had in our home a Model 74 Winchester .22 and a Winchester Model 12 Pump Shotgun and my Sheridan Blue streak Pellet gun. We kept, deer, dove, duck , phesant, rabbit, squirrel on the table year round with just those three tools.

KISS principal for harvesting game is best IMHO. That's why I like single shot Ruger Number # 1's for the lower 48 an my old Pre-64 Winchester 70 in 375H&H with just fixed sights for places where I ain't high on the food chain.........:o)

http://www.gunblast.com/Alex_Overwatch.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm

http://www.alexanderarms.com/beoammo.html

The Bewolf is something I picked up about a year ago and with a basic AR lower it gives me a nice varmint and self defense rig in .223 and dangerous game rifle in the .50 mode. Very Kewl Tewl !

Stay Safe !
429 posted on 10/19/2003 9:57:39 AM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: TexasCowboy
That pic was in my hunting magazine .........I like it ! It's so "Piss'n on PETA ish".........:o)

Stay Safe !

430 posted on 10/19/2003 10:00:28 AM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: I got the rope
When guns are outlawed, only crazed Leftists will have guns.

All right! Who cast that decenting vote?

431 posted on 10/19/2003 10:39:12 AM PDT by Barnacle (A Human Shield against the onslaught of Leftist tripe.)
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To: Colorado Doug
"I would, however, consider trading my best old 30-30 for that .50,"

Doug, I've shot a lot of guns, but I have never had as much fun with pure shooting than I do with that .50.
I can't imagine ever taking that thing hunting, mainly because after about a hundred yards of carrying it, I'd be ready for a bath and a bed.
But for pure shooting pleasure, it can't be beat.
It's like a shoulder mounted artillery piece, and the adrenalin pumps with every squeeze of the trigger.
I expected to have a sore shoulder for a week from firing it, but it's surprising how little it kicks because it's so damn heavy.

On the other hand, I've got a Sharp's 45.70 that punishes me with every round!
I could be talked into swapping that thing.

432 posted on 10/19/2003 11:11:00 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: lodwick; PoorMuttly
"Some people may think these "gun threads" are primitive testosterone-fests..."

Well, hell! I'm kinda proud of having whatever testosterone I can produce!
Some of those limp-wristed, gun-grabbing idiots from San Francisco ought to join in. Some of it might rub off.

Besides, there's quite a few women who join in on these, and I love to see 'em!

433 posted on 10/19/2003 11:18:57 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Squantos; TexasCowboy
Same here....when I was a pup we had in our home a Model 74 Winchester .22 and a Winchester Model 12 Pump Shotgun and my Sheridan Blue streak Pellet gun. We kept, deer, dove, duck , phesant, rabbit, squirrel on the table year round with just those three tools.

KISS principal for harvesting game is best IMHO. That's why I like single shot Ruger Number # 1's for the lower 48 an my old Pre-64 Winchester 70 in 375H&H with just fixed sights for places where I ain't high on the food chain.........:o)

We had a Stevens Crackshot .22 for rabbits and close in varmits, I still have it. An Iver Johnson single shot 16ga, it was my dad's first gun and I still have it. A 30-06, M1903 Springfield that an uncle used for years but gave to my dad for deer, elk, antelope and varmits at long range. The favorite we had is still in the closet here at the house, a Winchester Model 12 with 30 inch FC. Dad bought it the September after I was born.

My first rifle that was my "very own" to have was a Western Field single shot .22 rifle. I bemoaned it being a single shot, but dad told me that I would learn to be a better shot that way. He was right on target. Many buddies in school had pumps, bolt actions, lever actions and semi-automatics, but I got just as many jack rabbits as they did.

A couple of years ago my son came across a 30-06 Harrington and Richardson Handi Rifle. Talk about recoil!! The rifle must weigh in at about 4 1/2 to 5 lbs with scope. I could handle your 375 any day compared to this rifle. There is hardly any drop to the stock, so the recoil gets shoved straight back. Wow! Not a good choice for only one rifle. Glad we have several others to choose from, this is only for the stout hearted.

As far as answering the question. I would guess it depends on where you hunt. I have a Pre-64 Model 70 in .243 with a varmit barrel and 3X9 Redfield Widefield Scope that is just the ticket for deer in the hills of Central Texas (as long as I didn't have to pack it too far). Here in Central Kentucky my son and son-in-law each have Marlin 336's in the venerable 30-30 and I still use the Springfield 30-06 that has been in the family for over 55 years. Hunting deer on Ft Knox requires use of either a shotgun and slug or black powder. For that I have a Remington 870 with open sights and a Thompson Center Hawkin in .50 cal.

The original poster to this thread was talking about going on the cheap. In that case I guess for close ranges such as he would more than likely find in Louisiana one could almost get by with a shotgun and two barrels, one for slugs and one for birds/bunnies.

I find myself rambling - need to go get some honey do taken care of and a Stock Car race is in need of watching.

434 posted on 10/19/2003 11:38:23 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: TexasCowboy
#415 - Love it, I am sending to my tree hugger niece.
435 posted on 10/19/2003 11:40:05 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB
I propose next fall, after I get some practice in of course... that we institute the First Annual Free Republic hunting competition. Beginners get a handicap though ;)
436 posted on 10/19/2003 12:04:17 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
There are a bunch of us that get together sort of informally every once in a while have a pot luck lunch of sorts, pop a few and share the stories of the "one that got away."
437 posted on 10/19/2003 12:41:06 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: TexasCowboy
I can't imagine ever taking that thing hunting, mainly because after about a hundred yards of carrying it, I'd be ready for a bath and a bed.

Great, then you haven't ruled out my trade offer. Tell you what, I will throw in 12 rounds of ammo to sweeten the deal. ;-)

438 posted on 10/19/2003 1:03:54 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: PoorMuttly
He was only looking! There could have been a thief...or something. Trust me.

I am so sorry that your great-great-great-grandfather was maligned so. I have no doubt that his intentions were nothing less than pure and honorable. It's a shame that he was not able to catch the "real" beer thief. It's clear that he was on the trail.

439 posted on 10/19/2003 1:34:39 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: dogbyte12
Yup...the boys have covered it for you. You can get by with 2 barrels and a good 12ga. pump or auto...you'll be keeping a good .30-30 and using it often, for all sorts of things...and a 98K Mauser in any of its offered rounds...or an Enfield...or perhaps best a GI Springfield in its .30'06...the most punch at longer range..although the 7mm (tore up Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, and gave the Boers good service against far superior numbers) and 6.5 Swede, still very popular in Alaska...just go for it...all good things, which you'll want to keep...because they work. The Nagant, even in very rough condition, did some truly amazing work against us in Vietnam. The 98K is shortest...which is what I think you really want.

The Enfield .303 is touchy about ammunition, because of barrel harmonics...I think it favors 2400fps....but you may not even get a shot over 75 yards anyway...but if you do...it's a proven mechanism, accessories readily available, and still the most popular round in Canada, where they put down moose all the time...although it's basically in the .30-30 class I think, foot-pounds wise. All very good, CHEAP, and reliable setups..as is, now.

J.F.K. and Connely were purportedly shot with a $35 mail-order almost junk Carcano...the quality of which we used to laugh about...but it has a LONG bullet...which keeps on going, straight and deep. I think it was Karamojo Bell who culled numerous African elephants with a 7x57mm Mauser, relying on the thin, long bullet penetrating straight, and his keen experience with elephant anatomy...and of course...his personal contribution of walking right up to them, shooting for the brain through 3 ft. of honeycombed bone...then rolling out of the way to not be crushed as they fell...and few people today would suggest the 7x57 as an elephant gun choice...but a real hunter gets it done.

440 posted on 10/19/2003 2:21:27 PM PDT by PoorMuttly ( Muttly Eats What Muttly Gets)
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