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Bush, GOP 'Naive' for Pushing Bill to Help Illegal Aliens,(DREAM Act)
CNSNews.com ^ | 10/17/03 | CNSNews.com

Posted on 10/17/2003 3:48:56 PM PDT by thefamous

Bush, GOP 'Naive' for Pushing Bill to Help Illegal Aliens, Critic Alleges (CNSNews.com) - Illegal immigration opponents Thursday said President Bush and congressional Republicans risk losing their core voter base in national elections next year by embracing measures that would grant amnesty to illegal aliens. The remarks came as the Senate Judiciary Committee held a markup session on a bill that would allow in-state collegiate tuition and residency for illegal immigrants.

"The Bush administration wants to push for some form of amnesty but hasn't come to terms with how to do that without offending its political base," David Ray, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), told CNSNews.com.

Ray pointed to numerous independent polls, which he said show Americans "overwhelmingly" reject policies that either allow more illegal aliens in the country or reward those who are already in the United States.

The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act - S.1545), sponsored by Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), would specifically lift the federal ban that prevents states from allowing illegal aliens to pay in-state tuition for college.

The bill would also grant conditional resident status for illegals under 16 years of age who have lived in the country more than five years if they graduate high school, are accepted by a university, serve in the armed forces or perform community service.

Ray said the administration views the DREAM Act as a tool for creating exemptions for illegal immigrants deserving of sympathy. But he added that the bill would also "allow the Democrats to turn the fledgling measure into a vulture."

"The final piece of the puzzle will fall into place when the whole measure is placed on an appropriations bill," Ray said. Once that occurs, according to Ray, no one will be able to do anything to defeat it.

"History has taught us that that's how this measure will move," Ray said.

But bill supporters disagree.

"I believe the DREAM Act will live up to its name," Hatch said on the Senate floor when introducing the measure July 31. "It will allow these illegal immigrant children the opportunity to not only dream of the infinite possibilities that their futures may hold in the United States, but it will also afford them the opportunity to realize their dreams.

"With the passage of the DREAM Act, the United States stands to benefit enormously," Hatch added.

Ray noted that the only people who would benefit from the act are the 8 to 12 million illegal immigrants here in violation of federal law. He said it would open the floodgates to millions more immigrants looking to come to the United States even if meant breaking the law.

"The Republicans are being naive if they don't see the DREAM Act as the vehicle by which the Democrats are going to push for the extension of general amnesty for the whole illegal alien population currently in the United States," Ray said.

"The most troubling thing is that not only is amnesty a bad idea, but nobody seems to be addressing: What about the illegal aliens who arrive the day after the bill passes? Are they going to have an amnesty as well? Isn't that in essence just surrendering the sovereignty of America to any and every one who wants to come here?" Ray added.

Hatch responded to that interpretation in a Sept. 4 release, saying the DREAM Act benefits American society in general.

"As a nation, we cannot hand pick a better group of individuals to become part of our society. By definition, DREAM Act beneficiaries are extraordinary people. They are young men and women who have grown up in the United States, who are loyal to our country and who have graduated from high school," Hatch said.

"And more importantly, they are young people who desire to obtain higher education, serve our communities as volunteers or join the military," Hatch added. "The DREAM Act makes productive citizens out of young people who are already living in our country, which benefits all of us."

Hatch also addressed criticism that the DREAM Act would lead to more illegal aliens.

"The fact is that the DREAM Act was carefully drafted to avoid precisely this problem. The act specifically limits eligibility to those who entered the United States five years or more prior to the bill's enactment. It applies to a limited number of people who have already resided in the United States for at least five years and who have demonstrated favorable equities in and significant ties to the United States," Hatch explained.

"Let me clear up any confusion on this point once and for all: Anyone who entered the United States less than five years prior to the enactment of this bill, or who plans to enter the United States illegally in the future, will not be covered by the DREAM Act," Hatch added.

Yet Ray was unconvinced by Hatch's statement.

"What we're seeing right now with the discussion of the (DREAM) Act...is our legislators making every possible attempt to try to dress this up and try to present it as something that it's not - to try to disguise the fact that what they're pushing through is a measure that will be received as politically radioactive by the public," Ray said

"The Republicans are at the beck and call of big business that wants a never-ending supply of cheap workers," Ray said, "and Democrats are pushing for an amnesty because they know that these illegals will be future Democratic voters."

Because of time limitations, Hatch's panel did not report the bill out of committee Thursday. It will be taken up again Oct. 23.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; dreamact; illegal; immigrant; judiciarycommittee; orrinhatch; republicanturncoats; s1545

1 posted on 10/17/2003 3:48:57 PM PDT by thefamous
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To: thefamous
This thing will pass the Senate, but the House GOP will just let it die in Conference and or not bring the thing up for a vote just like they are doing with the Jim Kolbe/McCain bill.
2 posted on 10/17/2003 3:51:46 PM PDT by Pubbie (Vote "No" On Recall, "Yes" On Bustamante)
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To: thefamous
Posted
3 posted on 10/17/2003 3:52:03 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
To call them ‘undocumented workers’ is like calling a burglar an ‘uninvited house guest’
4 posted on 10/17/2003 3:54:27 PM PDT by thefamous
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To: Pubbie
Bush can count on losing my vote if he signs any legislation giving amnesty to illegals. I know many others who feel the same way. Losing his base with a stupid bill like this is a weird re-run of his dad, and how he lost to Xlinton in '96.
5 posted on 10/17/2003 5:50:17 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Do you like Ronald Reagan?
6 posted on 10/17/2003 5:51:55 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Yes, pretty much.
7 posted on 10/17/2003 5:56:39 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Ronald Reagan spear-headed a massive illegal alien amnesty program in the 1980's. Just like Bush is trying to do now.

There's lots of good reasons to do so. So, if you liked Reagan, and you like Bush...think a bit about why both of these great men are in support of Amnesty programs.
8 posted on 10/17/2003 6:00:28 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
You forgot to tell the other half of the story behind the "Amnesty Bill" passed under Reagan. The feds were supposed to crack down on the "new crop" of illegal aliens after the bill became law. They didn't. The bill did not stem, slow or curb the illegal alien invasion as advertised.

As to "liking" any politician because they are repeating a mistake made by another...

"There is no education in the second kick of a mule."

Hatch has been one of "them" too long and needs to be replaced.

9 posted on 10/17/2003 7:13:25 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: lawdog
Instead of amnesty for individual illegals, maybe we should give the states that love the illegals to Mexico in a reverse Texas Republic manner. Southern California, New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona seem to be likely candidates.

Then the rest of the country could do the work of controlling immigration with their militias and National Guard. We don't seem to have the will in Washington, D.C. to solve the problem. Those that want to impose amnesty on the nation could have their amnesty territory as they wished without subjecting the rest of us to the costs and decay associated with ignoring our laws.

10 posted on 10/17/2003 7:39:18 PM PDT by meenie
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To: thefamous
To call them ‘undocumented workers’ is like calling a burglar an ‘uninvited house guest’

Good one!

This is a letter to the editor I wrote. It was never printed:

The "politically-correct" media, including the American Statesman, insults the intelligence of readers by calling illegal immigrant aliens "undocumented immigrants". It's not as if the dog ate their paperwork, they are here in the USA in violation of immigration laws. Failure to distinguish properly between law-breakers and legal immigrants and citizens unjustly tarnishes those (especially legal immigrants) who follow the rules of law.

There is now a new law in California that grants driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, so indeed illegal immigrants now have "documentation". Are these now to be "undocumented immigrant with driver's documentation"? What a spectacle! This law granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants undermines our homeland security in ways the 9/11 hijackers would have appreciated (not to mention illegal alien and DC sniper co-conspirator Lee Malvo). It also is an open invitation to fraudulent voting. The 9/11 terrorist attack and the DC sniper shootings showed clearly that lax immigration law enforcement endangers our security. Using phony "undocumented" terminology is just a way to hide these risks through semantics, rather than explain them.

11 posted on 10/17/2003 8:02:58 PM PDT by WOSG (QUESTION STUPIDITY!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
>> Ronald Reagan spear-headed a massive illegal alien amnesty program in the 1980's. Just like Bush is trying to do now. There's lots of good reasons to do so <<

Reagan's advisors talked him into signing a "ONE TIME ONLY" (so much for that, eh?) amnesty bill because it would supposely clear up all the paperwork dealing with illegal vs. legal aliens in the U.S. and they could just give everyone citizenship and then put guards on the borders to prevent any future problems. It didn't work, and of course, the result was vast amounts of INCREASED illegal immigration because all those criminals figured THEY could get amnesty down the line sometime too (and if George W. Bush has his way, they were right) Reagan's adminstration regretted ever signing that after they saw it tripled the illegal immigration problem instead of ending it.

The amnesty deal also proved that Republican pandering to illegal criminals does NOT cause them to go out and vote GOP. Quite the opposite, actually. Reagan got a MUCH higher percentage of the "hispanic vote" in '80 and '84 BEFORE promising amnesty than Bush got in '88 AFTER amnesty has already been granted. All those newly "legalized" citzens rushed out and pulled the Democrat level. The only "hispanics" voting Republican were law-abiding taxpayers, most of which were born here anyway. In the last election, first-time immigrant voters went Democrat by 90% and Republican by 6%. Good thing all those guys are "social conservatives", eh? They must have accidentially voted for a bunch of pro-abortion, gay-marriage totin, gun-grabbing Democrats. Oopsy.

You asked if he like Ronald Reagan. I like Reagan, despite his goof-up on amnesty that he later came to deeply regret. Do you like the Republican platform? Because it has said for 120 years that there are lots of BAD reasons for helping ILLEGAL criminals. If you're looking for someone who likes the idea, try the Democrat, Green, or Socialist Party platforms. They LOVE open borders.

12 posted on 10/17/2003 9:19:18 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Ronald Reagan spear-headed a massive illegal alien amnesty program in the 1980's. ...There's lots of good reasons to do so.

The main reason being that nominally Republican Chamber of Commerce types (who ought to know better when it comes to promoting disrespect for our laws and our borders) can keep flooding our job markets with cheap Mexican labor to artificially depress US workers wages and benefits.

13 posted on 10/17/2003 10:14:45 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: lawdog
"There is no education in the second kick of a mule."

Can I steal this for a tag line ?

14 posted on 10/18/2003 12:03:54 AM PDT by jokar (Beware the White European Male Christian theological complex !!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Just because Reagan supported an amnesty and I liked Reagan doesn't mean I agreed with that particular policy of his. Nor does it mean because something may have been a good idea 20 years ago it still makes sense.

I lived in California for 10 years. There is nothing you can tell me about illegal immigration that will make me think it is OK, or that it is in anyway desirable to make all these criminal invaders citizens.

I like a lot about Bush, but when it comes to this topic he is either naive, cynical or stupid.

15 posted on 10/19/2003 10:20:16 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: everyone
First of all i dont think young illegal immigrants should pay the burden of being "illegal";even though, they had no say to come to our country. But thats not why im posting this. Im here to alert our citizens that If the U.S. could increase the college completion rate of 18-year-old Latinos by just 3 percentage points, projected Social Security and Medicare contributions would grow by $600 million, a 1995 Rand Corp. report found. By conservative estimates, the economic contributions of Latino immigrants aided by the proposed legislation would pay back a state's education investment -- including the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition -- within three to four years of their joining the workforce. Lets remember that these kids did not have a say to come here, and they have grown up with the rest of our kids, well at least my kid. And I just have to say that there are a lot of bright minds that should not go to waste.

16 posted on 10/20/2003 12:07:05 AM PDT by ChrisFPL
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To: thefamous
"To call them ‘undocumented workers’ is like calling a burglar an ‘uninvited house guest’ ".

In Liberal Seattle, they don't call it "car theft", it's "taking a vehicle without permission" and they don't even prosecute it.

AAaaagggghhhh !!!!!!!!

SM
17 posted on 01/08/2004 9:10:33 PM PST by Senormechanico
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