The Court-Ordered Death of Terri Schiavo

TownHall.com ^ | October 17, 2003 | William Federer

[sc2_ct]

And I respect yours as well. That is the best thing about a forum like this. You can discuss issues openly. Sometimes you may say something that sways someone else, and sometimes your own mind may be changed. That is the beauty of the 1st Ammendment :)

[AbsoluteJustice]

From the link you sent me

"allows terminally ill state residents to end their lives through the voluntary self-administration of lethal medications prescribed by a physician for that purpose.

While the act legalizes physician-assisted suicide, it specifically prohibits a physician or other person from directly administering a medication to end another's life. "


1)This is not assisted suicide. Suicide is someone DECIDING to take THIER own life.
2)this is not medication rendering
3)this is not physician assisted suicide the LAW which allows the husband (legal guardian) allows the husband to pull the feeding tube because his wife is a vegetable.

This law does not apply to this case, not in the least bit.

[Avoiding_Sulla]

The man depicted below is the American intellectual point-man (imported from Australia) for our latest push for marginalizing American Ethics to march with the Europeans in their century long decadence.

Professor Death has vile adherents on FR who decry being lumped in with the monsters who advocated this behavior in the past. Please do all you can to prevent them from disrupting this thread as they have done on other threads on this subject this very day!

Their next target is you or another loved one.

The elitists of our society have radically propelled their agenda to eradicate what used to be called basic human decency that was at the core that made America great. Without a doubt this is one of the reasons for the push for to eradicate all mention of God from the public sphere. Whether or not you are religious, you should see that removal of God removes the final impediment for power lusters to what they seek. To act as if they are God. The Judeo-Christian God is, in a purely philosophical-political sense, the ultimate competitor to human ubermenschen. Your job is to fight them now while you still may do so.

Without our overall sense of God-based morality which elevates our sense of basic decency to having a divine inspiration, and which runs as the undercurrent of our society, we will leave a police state to our posterity.

Sadly, most of you conservatives already know this even if they haven't voiced it yet. You must convince, first, our libertarian allies that the threat to them is not mention of God, but the eradication of the limits the presence of God places upon decadent human beings. After the libertarians, then some more liberals will start to see the truth in the death culturalists who now consider radical islam (with their death worship) their allies.

God bless you all.

-Avoiding Sulla (wishing to avoid the repeating the pattern of destruction that ended the Roman Republic that our power seekers and their Constitutionally destructive lawyers are pursuing)

[dansangel]

You ***ROCK***! :-)

[Pan_Yans Wife]

The problem is this... if you add up all of the important issues for the average voter... abortion, gun control, education, defense, healthcare, taxation, etc... and try to vote according to what a candidate believes, you will notice that the candidates might support every issue that you believe with, except one. And that is the problem, because then you must decide if that one issue is worth not voting for that candidate, and voting for his opponent whose views are even further opposed to your total point of view, but they do agree with you on that one issue.

Most people find this too perplexing, and thus don't vote.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

You've always known that! ;)

[isrul]

Time grows short. Government machinery closes down at 5PM. If this happens, I don't expect to hear any good news over the weekend. Terri cannot last much longer. If the dehydration doesn't kill her, The constant sedation will.

I read something in the Florida constitution that the governor has the power to intervene to protect persons, property etc. in an emergency. Terri is a person. This is an emergency. He is free to exercise his executive powers as he believes is appropriate. That is not against the law even it is not in agreement with a court ruling.

I don't know where anyone ever got the idea that the courts have the final say in anything. This even applies to the Supreme Court. Abraham Lincoln ingnored their ruling as did WJC. That just about covers the full spectrum of morality.

If , after the governor takes executive action, I belive there are remedies in the legislature (impeachment, for one) and also the people may remedy it by voting him out of office. Either remedy is OK by because by the time they could be implementd tht Schindlers could have absconded Terri out of harms way to a safe haven.

[Catspaw]

"Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said they would turn to the 1st District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee."

Sadly, I expect the Schindlers to be broomed out of the Court of Appeals as fast as they were broomed out of the lower court.

[First_Salute]

You're fine.

The extremism used by some sea lawyers on this page, to paint you into a corner of their, not your, making, is remarkable for its not being known to them, until it shall by point of force some day; and so it was, much of the tragedy of NAZI Germany, where the people's sovereignty was rendered meaningless, by just such absolutism narrowly worked from the law.

[AbsoluteJustice]

You give me ONE person you have voted for in your life that passes the "Conservative" litmus test as you state. I do not think you can find ONE on a series of issues that want to vote for that can level up to EVERY checklist. There are none in office today at least.

[AbsoluteJustice]

So so true, so true.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Why hasn't there been a call to impeach Judge Greer?

[dansangel]

You've always known that! ;)

Yes, but I like to give credit where it's due. :-)

[nickcarraway]

Agreed 100%

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Thank you! LOL

[AbsoluteJustice]

"The extremism used by some sea lawyers on this page, to paint you into a corner of their, not your, making, is remarkable for its not being known to them, until it shall by point of force some day; and so it was, much of the tragedy of NAZI Germany, where the people's sovereignty was rendered meaningless, by just such absolutism narrowly worked from the law"

One problem with your analysis here.
1)you cannot control an armed public
2)you cannot control someone that has free movement.

This is NOWHERE remotely close to what happened in Nazi Germany. To compare one person to the atrosities that was commited to over 4 million jews and thir families not only cheapens what occurred in Germany but also is non-sensical.

[sc2_ct]

You give me ONE person you have voted for in your life that passes the "Conservative" litmus test as you state. I do not think you can find ONE on a series of issues that want to vote for that can level up to EVERY checklist. There are none in office today at least.

Contrary to what you may believe, I am not an absolute conservative. I can handle trade-offs and I can accept that there is no single individual with whom I agree 100% on all the issues. Abortion and Euthanasia are the two makre or break issues for me. I will not and have not voted for anyone that supported either. If they don't share my view on other lesser issues, then I will consider giving them my vote.

Would you vote for someone with a great fiscal record, a great tax plan, and who agreed with you on 99% of issues if they supported the extermination of all Christians and Jews? If you would not vote for this person, then you would be in the same moral quandry that I find myself in come voting time.

Lesser issues I can live with, but I cannot support anyone in office who believes it is okay to permit an act that I consider to be abortion.

[sc2_ct]

I agree that it can be confusing, but as I said in my last post, I am adamant on two issues: abortion and euthanasia. For me it is easy to vote. If they support either, then they will not get my vote. If they do not support them, then I will consider the rest of their policy based on it's merits.

[dansangel]

Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it!

I have been praying a Novena every day for sick friends of mine and have recently included Terri Schiavo. Through gritted teeth, I have tried to control myself, but end up speaking of the stupidity and selfishness of man to St. Therese Lisieux and also St. Peregrine.

I have also asked for the wisdom to see why it is permissible to do this to a human, but if we allow a dog or cat to starve to death, we would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Obviously, I'm just not smart enought to "get it."

[AbsoluteJustice]

Good analysis.