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A LOW TOLL
New York Post ^ | October 17, 2003 | JOHN PODHORETZ

Posted on 10/17/2003 6:31:20 AM PDT by OESY

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Get ready to start writing your hate e-mail, because I'm about to say something nearly impermissible in the present-day discourse on the war in Iraq. Here it is: The death toll among American soldiers remains startlingly and hearteningly low, not horribly and frighteningly high.


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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: americansoldiers; baathistterror; casualties; israel; majorcombat; mccaffrey; nationalreview; persiangulfwar; podhoretz; presidentbush
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1 posted on 10/17/2003 6:31:20 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY
if you are looking to be flamed post this on the DU board
2 posted on 10/17/2003 6:42:16 AM PDT by camas
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To: OESY
"Never in the annals of military history has so much territory been occupied at such little cost"

Austraila 1770
3 posted on 10/17/2003 6:43:04 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: OESY
True, but it will fall on deaf ears for the Bush haters. When Clinton was in office ridding the world of Saddam was just a bunch of bravado....

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in 1996. Was such collateral damage worth it? Albright replied, "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price [500,000 dead] - we think the price is worth it." .....


That was then and this is now.

4 posted on 10/17/2003 6:50:41 AM PDT by fml
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To: OESY
I believe it is still true that accidental deaths in the military are higher than combat deaths this year.
5 posted on 10/17/2003 6:53:51 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: Brad Cloven
The only two guys I knew who died in Vietnam were both accidental deaths....drowning and misfired gun in barracks. Seems to be a major risk, if not THE major risk - accidental death.
6 posted on 10/17/2003 6:57:20 AM PDT by goodnesswins (If I had to deal with liberals every day, I'd take oxycotin, too!)
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To: OESY
I would like to see the numers on how many of the terrorists our troops have killed since major combat operations have ceased. Our troops are efficiently extinguishing the monsters who attack them IMO.
7 posted on 10/17/2003 7:03:30 AM PDT by toddst
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To: goodnesswins
Seems to be a major risk, if not THE major risk - accidental death.

Operations in a combat zone always result on non-combat deaths. Many are the result of carelessness (your examples.) Beyond that, training with equipment intended to break things and kill people is inherently dangerous. Last number I saw was two deaths per week as average during peacetime training operations.

8 posted on 10/17/2003 7:09:00 AM PDT by toddst
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To: OESY
No one likes to see deaths resulting from military action, but the purpose of a military is not to protect the soldiers. Imagine if we viewed firefighting or police work in the same pusillanimous light as those who insist that the Iraq situation is deteriorating because of a few isolated incidents?
9 posted on 10/17/2003 8:12:59 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
ping
10 posted on 10/17/2003 8:15:08 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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To: OESY; Pan_Yans Wife; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Get ready to start writing your hate e-mail, because I'm about to say something nearly impermissible in the present-day discourse on the war in Iraq. Here it is: The death toll among American soldiers remains startlingly and hearteningly low, not horribly and frighteningly high.

Perspective!

 Thanks, Tonkin!

If you want on or off my Pro-Coalition ping list, please Freepmail me. Warning: it is a high volume ping list on good days. (Most days are good days).

11 posted on 10/17/2003 9:12:57 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("criticizing somebody from a pinnacle of near-perfect ignorance is not good form." ~ Rummy, 10/16)
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To: OESY
President Bush declared the end of "major combat operations" on May 1; xxx American soldiers have died since

If I see this reported one more time with another death I will scream. The soldiers who have lost there lives deserve so much better.
12 posted on 10/17/2003 9:23:41 AM PDT by boxerblues (If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
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To: OESY
But those devastating battles never really happened:

That is the only thing I disagree with you on. If you are on the receiving end of even one person shooting at you it is a devastating battle. One of the great things about this country and one of the things I believe in most is, everyone has a right to their opinions. You need not have served in the military to have that right. Those of us that did may disagree with some things a person has to say, but we defend to the death their right to say it.

13 posted on 10/17/2003 9:36:54 AM PDT by Hondo1952 (Elvis is dead and I don't feel so good myself. Lewis Grizzard....a Great American)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The evidence is there ~ Too bad that the pro-terrorist democrats and their left-wing lackeys in the media are so brain dead!
14 posted on 10/17/2003 9:42:03 AM PDT by blackie
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To: OESY
Here is the choice we had when prosecuting the liberation of Iraq.

Either stop and engage EVERY combatant along the way, resulting in hundreds if not thousands of deaths on both sides during every battle.

We chose to rush forward, securing Bagdhad with a MINIMUM loss of life on both sides.

This choice saved the infrastructure, not destroyed it as the dems love to claim.

We took away the time the Iraqi's would have had to torch the oil fields, destroy the bridges, and poison the water supply.

15 posted on 10/17/2003 9:57:25 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Perhaps voters will hold President Bush accountable for the deaths of American troops. Somehow, I doubt it. I think they know that the people who deserve blame for killing Americans are the people who kill them.

Great article.

16 posted on 10/17/2003 10:30:53 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
17 posted on 10/17/2003 10:53:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Clinton and Albright let a million die in Rwanda.

Demunists predicted tens of thousands of casualties.

It's not for the Left to tell us about cost--they who condone the 100 million murdered by Communists.

18 posted on 10/17/2003 11:17:59 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: camas
Post on DU....ha ha ha.

I tried that once, got banned the first post and yet there are many here that would prefer I was banned from FR...

Guess as the saying goes "if you are taking flak...you are over the target".
19 posted on 10/17/2003 11:26:40 PM PDT by Brian S ("if you are taking flak...you are over the target". Bombs Away...)
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To: Brian S; Ragtime Cowgirl
LOL --- I like that "if you are taking flak you're over the target"

Thanks for ping, as always, RCgirl
20 posted on 10/18/2003 12:28:57 AM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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