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Bush keeps calling Islam a religion of peace - when will he wake up and realize there will never be peace with them?

1 posted on 10/16/2003 5:06:24 AM PDT by SLB
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I see the la times is in the religious persecution movement now. Of course the general's views haven't impacted his job performance one bit, and he's not stygmatizing non-christians under his command but none of that matters, the man is a christian so the la times attempts to drag him through the mud and hang him out to dry.

The general is wrong in one thing. Satan isn't in running the arabs, he's running the la times.
2 posted on 10/16/2003 5:10:56 AM PDT by pcx99
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A two-fisted bigoted article.
3 posted on 10/16/2003 5:14:32 AM PDT by witnesstothefall (Free Mel Gibson)
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We all better wake up and realise this is a religious war. The general is right about that. Islam intends to bury us. Islam is no more a religion of peace than Stalin was a man of peace.
5 posted on 10/16/2003 5:19:47 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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We have to be very careful that this doesn't become a clash between religions, a clash of civilizations."

Alas, it's too late. That is how the Muslims who have declared war, quite explicitly, on Western Civilization, have defined it. The General simply understands that.

Perhaps his language is not very diplomatic. He is not a diplomat. But he is right, this is a struggle against pure, unapologetic evil hiding behind religion. It is up to the Muslims to make a discernable distinction between themselves and the Jihadis, and that means taking sides with us against Militant Islam.

I don't think they will do it. It's against their religion. So the monsters we must crush define the religion in the absence of more moderate voices. So be it.

6 posted on 10/16/2003 5:20:09 AM PDT by Kenton
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" Bush keeps calling Islam a religion of peace - when will he wake up and realize there will never be peace with them?"

It’s the right thing to say. We don’t have enough unity, support or troops to convince 1.5 billion people to abandon their religion.

This story is an example of the importance of civilian control of the military. Both have different responsibilities requiring different talents. Words that motivate and sustain men in combat are not the same that persuade a world of envious fence sitters that supporting the war on terror is in their best interests.

8 posted on 10/16/2003 5:21:01 AM PDT by elfman2
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The LA Times are Leftist idiots, trying to manufacture controversy by inflaming hatred.

The religious views of a Lt. Gen. aren't news. There's no bearing on public policy.
12 posted on 10/16/2003 5:35:47 AM PDT by stradivarius
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Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Boykin told another audience, "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Boykin said last year. On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: "He's in the White House because God put him there."

And the LAtimes thinks I should worry that this man is a leader ?
I don't think so
I thank God for him.

14 posted on 10/16/2003 5:36:26 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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I don't see the Muslim religion as evil at all.

But I want a guy like this taking the battle to any of them, or any one else, who threatens us.

My SOB is gonna kick the hell out of their's!

16 posted on 10/16/2003 5:42:09 AM PDT by mrsmith
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The Pentagon has assigned the task of tracking down and eliminating Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other high-profile targets to an Army general who sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.

And when we are victorious this man will give glory and thanks to God...as it should be!
We will vanquish this foe as long as the devil within our shores is kept out of power. I like the way this domestic battle/war is being coined by Laura Ingraham and others: America is in a domestic war against "the elites".

17 posted on 10/16/2003 5:42:56 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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The headline here should be, "Boykin Gets It Right, LA Slimes Gets It Wrong!"
18 posted on 10/16/2003 5:43:08 AM PDT by Gritty
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This articles ties together a lot of unrelated comments and speculation to establish that this administration is launching another Holy Crusade; a theme calculated to stir up Arab resistence.

Now why would they be trying to do that?

21 posted on 10/16/2003 5:49:19 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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Now there's an officer that I truly would enjoy serving for!
22 posted on 10/16/2003 5:49:41 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (PORK AKBAR!!)
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Bill Arkin is another of Chrissy Matthews hit men. He has been bashing Bush for 3 years, but is billed as an "expert".

Just like Johnson, who appears on Matthews as an CIA expert, the media never states that these men have an agenda.
23 posted on 10/16/2003 5:52:03 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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When you've lived the life that LTG Boykin has lived (and survived), speaking the truth without fear is second nature. He says out loud what most of us think. The war on terror and the culture war are entwined. The LA Times is a propoganda mouthpiece for our enemies.
27 posted on 10/16/2003 6:17:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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This might be an interesting article, but, since it's from the L.A. Times, I don't know whether to believe it or not.
28 posted on 10/16/2003 6:39:34 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Has the Fall of California been averted--or merely postponed???)
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He has compared Islamic extremists to "hooded Christians" who terrorized blacks, Catholics, Jews and others from beneath the robes of the Ku Klux Klan

Actually, I think this is more than appropriate comparison. If anything, Islamics are worse: they want to _kill_ all non-Islamics, not just run 'em off.

"The phrase 'Judeo-Christian' is a big mistake. It's basically the language of Bin Laden and his supporters," said Cohen, president of the Institute for Middle East Peace and Development in New York

Nope, no mistake. It's _exactly right_. Before the WTC attack, I had come to realize that the defining struggle of the twenty-first century would be that of Islam versus the Judeo-Christian "West". The September 11 attacks were the "Clarion Call" of this conflict: literally, the trumpets hail, the call to the coming battle. Again, the General is correct in his observations, or perhaps he is simply more forthright than the _rest_ of the politicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, many of whom perceive the truth but are afraid to embrace it.

Arkin writes in an article on the op-ed page of today's Times that Boykin's appointment "is a frightening blunder at a time that there is widespread acknowledgment that America's position in the Islamic world has never been worse."

Um, this is a joke, right? If anything, it could be argued that America's "position" in the "Islamic world" has never been _better_. We have overthrown the dangerous governments of both Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran may not be far behind (they must _not_ be permitted to develop nuclear weapons). Even Saudi Arabia may now hold some "free" elections (how "free" can a Saudi election _be_?).

The message to Islam is clear: either change on your own, or you _will_ face change imposed upon you by the West. If Islam doesn't like it, well, tough.

The only problem so far is that we are not being forceful _enough_ with Islam. That increased "forcefulness" won't occur until there's another major attack on the United States.

At one point, immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the president said he wanted to lead a "crusade" against terrorism.
But he quickly retracted the word when told that, to Muslim ears, it recalled the medieval Christian crusaders' brutal invasions of Islamic nations.

Gee, I wish Dubya had held to his guns on that. It suggests that he, too, "gets it", but has had to be restrained by his "handlers" for the sake of politically-correct public consumption.

The "brutal invasions of Islamic nations" are _exactly_ what's required if we want to bring the scouge of Islam to an end.

Islam and the Christian West cannot co-exist. This is Islam's decree, not ours. Islam makes no bones about stating its ultimate goal. Ultimately, if Islam is unwilling to "fundamentally" change into a peaceful religion (well nigh impossible given the reality that - to Islamics - the Quran is unchangeable) by its own doing, then it must be _changed by_ the West into one. If Islam refuses to change, insisting on a struggle to the death, well, as a Westerner, I'd prefer their death to ours. It's that simple.

General Boykin realizes this. More power to him!

Cheers!
- John

29 posted on 10/16/2003 6:55:32 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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Interesting to have this article and this other one (The Pentagon Unleashes a Holy Warrior) from the LA Times on the same day.

It seems like they're on a crusade of their own.

30 posted on 10/16/2003 7:00:55 AM PDT by sanchmo
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"He's in the White House because God put him there."

Gee, I thought it was the voters. I missed the newscast where GWB was anointed. Anybody got the video?

31 posted on 10/16/2003 7:01:57 AM PDT by jimt
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The first thing to notice in the article is that it deliberately distorts the actual statements of the general that it quotes. The second thing to notice in this thread is that nearly everyone here doesn't notice or call them on those distortions. Because the media distortions are acceptable, indeed desired, by too many here.

The article tries to insinuate that the general said the enemy was Islam. He did not say the enemy was Muhammad, he said the enemy was Satan. This will come as news to the liberal media, but in Christian theology Satan is an equal opportunity corrupter of hearts. And nowhere did the general say all Muslims are servants of Satan - that is only the liberal media's insinuation and not one of his actual statements.

Similarly when he spoke of the Somalia warlord and said my God is a real God and his was an idol, he did not say this of all Muslims but of a particular warlord. You don't have to be a theologian to realize that starving thousands of innocents for worldly power is not the action of a man who believes in a just judge who searches hearts, but someone who believes in power. Nowhere did the general say that no Muslim believes in a just judge who searches hearts - whatever other errors he may ascribe to all of them. That the charge applies to all Muslims was not what the general said but merely the insinuation of the liberal media type writing the article.

Then the article tries to make much of the general's use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian". It calls that Bin Laden's terminology. Not that he has any exclusive right to it, but yes it is naturally Bin Laden's terminology because the general was at that point explaining why our enemies are attacking us. When speaking of someone's motivation you use his terms, as a matter of course. It is one thing to leave open a position for Muslims who repudiate Bin Laden, and another to whitewash the actual fact that Bin Laden and his supporters are bigots who hate entire religious groups. Saying so in no way implies that said bigotry extends to all Muslims. That was again merely an insinuation of the liberal media type writing the article, and not anything the general said.

Then others here want to make it a matter of calling the war a crusade. Notice that the general never did, it is again merely an insinuation. It will come as news to the Judeo part in Judeo-Christian that the crusades were about defending or spreading Judeo-anything. (They began with pogroms).

Some here have said it doesn't matter because the general's religion has no effect on his job performance or on public policy. Of course it does. That effect is just positive. He believes in his cause which he knows is just; he does not underestimate his Adversary; he sees the fight conducted under the eyes of a just judge; he is not afraid to die for that cause; he believes his human opponents are fundamentally misguided by an evil Principle, which only they can freely renounce, by embracing justice instead. All of which are positive pragmatic effects, even if you don't believe a word of the general's religion.

It is indeed possible to make extra recruits for our enemies, unnecessarily, by falling for the same bigotry blinding our enemies. But there is no evidence here that the general has done so. There is evidence that the media are themselves bigots, that they want to paint any Christian as also a bigot, that they want to whitewash the bigotry of Bin Laden and his crew, and in this thread there is evidence that some here would be only too happy to star in the central casting role the media left has scripted for them. Despite the conclusion jumping of previous posters in this thread, however, there is no sign here that the general has that particular part.

32 posted on 10/16/2003 7:34:25 AM PDT by JasonC
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All the good General is doing is telling the truth. Islam IS evil - totalitarian, intolerant, and bloodthirsty.
34 posted on 10/16/2003 8:21:29 AM PDT by FierceDraka ("I AM NOT A NUMBER - I AM A FREE MAN!")
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