[Almondjoy]

Uh where? Doctors recommend red wine. So if someone becomes an alcoholic because the medical establishment said one or two glasses of red wine a day is good for you then is that any different?

It doesn't matter if a doctor put him on it for pain. He choose to become addicted to them and he choose not to do anything about it until he got busted for it. Those are the facts that you cannot dispute.

[Atlas Sneezed]

It doesn't matter if a doctor put him on it for pain. He choose to become addicted to them and he choose not to do anything about it until he got busted for it. Those are the facts that you cannot dispute.

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I can't dispute them because the actual facts aren't known. And you shouldn't assert them as indisputable for the same reason.

There is a difference between getting addicted to something you start for recreational purposes, ans getting adicted to something you start for medical purposes.

[playball0]

The whole meaning of being addicted is that you can't choose. Only when sober can one choose. Back pain perscriptions left him addicted. He cound not stopped on his own.

I don't see the moral issue yet. I don't remember Rush moralizing on those "bad" addicted people.

[Crispy]

"He choose to become addicted to them and he choose not to do anything about it until he got busted for it"

I doubt he chose to become addicted. That is like saying somebody chose to get in a car accident. Of course he should of done something about it sooner. That can be said about smokers that get lung cancer. They should of stopped smoking sooner.

[Cold Heat]

He choose to become addicted to them

You do not choose to become addicted to Oxy-Codone pain drugs.

The addiction comes from using the product and is directly related to dose and how long you use it.

Rush was being treated for pain as a result of a back condition. With the time and dose involved with that, the addiction was as sure as the sun comes up in the morning.

It is a side effect of the drug and nothing more than that.

The real question is how one manages the addiction while using the drug?

This is what the Dr. helps you do. This is what Rush bypasssed and this was his error.

He self medicated and got himself in trouble. It happens all the time and he fessed up to that. Why he self medicated and how it was that his Dr. did not treat his pain to Rush's satisfation are questions that I hope he will answer when he returns.

Why he decided to detox and get off the meds entirely is beyond me. He should have just gradually cut back on the amount with the help of a Dr.

Now he will have to deal with the pain. I do not understand this.

[SteamShovel]

He choose to become addicted to them and he choose not to do anything about it until he got busted for it. Those are the facts that you cannot dispute

I'm glad you have the whole scoop even though all the facts are not known.

And BTW, why is it that one has to need to get high to be addicted to these pills? Couldn't it be that a person is addicted to pain killers because they help with physical pain and the person cannot do without them for that reason?

Not being able to do without something IS what an addiction is and pain whenever you are without the pain killers qualifies. Why is everybody assuming Rush just wanted to get high? Give the guy a break and wait for the facts people!

[cajun-jack]

go back to elementary school..learn the difference in choose and chose

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[IGOTMINE]

"It doesn't matter if a doctor put him on it for pain. He choose to become addicted to them and he choose not to do anything about it until he got busted for it. Those are the facts that you cannot dispute."

The fact is that Rush twice tried to kick the habit via rehab. That is the fact you cannot dispute.

[RinaseaofDs]

My wife had a C section and took maybe five Vicodin during the whole three day recovery period.

She told me that she found herself going through mild withdrawal symptoms from it. I talked to doctors about it later and they all said Vicodin is a blunt object, and it ought to be doled out in single digit numbers of pills.

Today it is massively over prescribed. Some with OxyC.

The 'choice' of becoming addicted comes in the form of waking up one day and deciding to put aside the Vicodin this morning and finding out that while the thing that originally hurt doesn't hurt, your whole body feels bad because you didn't get your dose. You don't feel 'normal' without it.

If you drink coffee heavily, go without it for a couple of days cold turkey and then give me a shout. Now multiply that by a bunch and you have addiction to pain killers.

Addiction to pain medication isn't a choice. You should read a little before you oversell an argument as 'indisputable'.

We are all weak. We are a knee injury away from being addicts in most cases. Medical science has a LONG, LONG way to go in understanding pain management in any advanced sense of that word.

Easy with the 'indisputable' big fella. Things in life rarely are.

[Protagoras]

It doesn't matter if a doctor put him on it for pain.

I guess it would be political sacrilidge to point out that everyone seems to be taking his word on that part.

(donning my flak jacket,,,again)