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Sean Hannity Steps In: Terri Schindler Case (New Video)
FOXNEWS.COM ^ | 10-13-03 | my favorite headache

Posted on 10/13/2003 1:46:51 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

The Terri fight takes to Hannity and Colmes tonight. New exclusive video and a heated discussion to be on the show tonight. Since Jeb Bush has not done a damn thing to stop the drawn out execution of Terri Schindler.

Terri on Hannity and Combes tonight with Randall Terry, also some new video of Terri which will cause major problems for Michael and Felos.

Please get the word out - this is urgent!!!


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; randallterry; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: All
Just a comment to the Fox lurkers. I'm sick of hearing about Scott Peterson. Laci is dead. Think yall can get
Greta to talk a little about Terri?
201 posted on 10/14/2003 7:57:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: george wythe
I'm a big Jeb Bush fan and have no quarrel with what he's done with this case. I write to encourage you to rethink the issue at hand: should this woman be starved to death? Even if, for argument's sake, she is in fact a vegetable, she should not be starved to death. There is a big difference between turning off a machine that does someone's breathing for him, and stopping a person from revieving nourishment. Starving even a comatose person to death is inhumane. Please let all of us freepers put aside arguments about Jeb Bush and get the word out that this woman -- regardless of whether she be in a vegetative state -- should continue to be fed and hydrated.
202 posted on 10/14/2003 7:58:06 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: AnimalLover; My Favorite Headache
They will have guards and will probably put her somewhere and not tell anyone where she is.

This is what they have done in the past with the other cases. A group of prolifers tried to rescue Nancy Cruzan and they were all arrested.

203 posted on 10/14/2003 7:59:21 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Salvation
This will become the Roe v. Wade for euthenasia if it happens.

The Roe vs Wade for euthanasia was Nancy Cruzan. It's long past....

In CRuzan vs the state of Missouri ( public health), the US Supreme Court ruled that food and water were medical care, and that states had the right to determine individually when it was ok to withhold food and fluids.

It's been all downhill since then, and it won't be getting any better, imo.

204 posted on 10/14/2003 8:01:29 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: CindyDawg
Well Marcia Gray took 14 days to die of dehydration and they say Tony Bland took longer....I think it was 20 days.
205 posted on 10/14/2003 8:02:35 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: GOPCajunLady
Can't she be taken from the hospital and given sanctuary in a church? There must be something that can be done.
206 posted on 10/14/2003 8:02:37 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty ("Oh people, this is freedom! "...Liberated Iraqi man, 09 APR 2003)
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To: CindyDawg
I guess not...This site Says 3-10 days. Only a few of the past victims seem to have lived longer. Marcia and Tony were exceptions..
207 posted on 10/14/2003 8:05:33 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: All
Middie has a lot of good things to say about the judges here.
208 posted on 10/14/2003 8:07:44 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
Was the tube removed or the feeding stopped? Did they have an Iv going or getting water from the feeding tube? The # of days wasn't my point so much as how painful and how soon it becomes irreversable. Can you imagine going without water for even a couple of days? This isn't even allowed in prisons where people want to die.
209 posted on 10/14/2003 8:08:11 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
Yes, I work in the medical field, as you do, correct?

I was physically ill about this when I first found out about it.

In some cases they have left the tube in to dispense morphine, I have read, but always no Iv's.

If you really want to feel like vomiting, read the PBS documentary they did bedside, as Nancy Cruzan slowly died of dehydration. They're standing there talking about her red eyes, after earlier discussing how well she responded to her can of food being opened bedside ( when the tube was still in). They made a movie out of her dying of dehydration and stood there talking to the doctor in the morning about her symptoms, filming it. They talk about her heart rate going up to 160...it's enough to make you really ill. Like they are discussing furniture in a room instead of a person, who might very well have heard and understood what they were saying.

I have the link for the transcript somewhere if you want to read it.

210 posted on 10/14/2003 8:13:34 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: CindyDawg
August 3, 2003
NYTimes

Striving for a Gentle Farewell
By JANE GROSS

Paralyzed, unable to speak, losing the ability to swallow and yet totally aware of her plight, my mother had been telling us for weeks, one letter at a time on an alphabet board, that she was ready to die.

She knew, after many discussions with my brother and me, that the only way she could legally hasten the end of her life in a nursing home was to refuse food and hydration. Still she struggled to eat, not allowing anyone to feed her, and to drink, even when she was too weak to use a straw.

Then, on an otherwise ordinary morning in July, my mother, 88, decided she had had enough helplessness and humiliation. Emphatically, she spelled out N-O-W, first to me, then to a doctor and social worker.

We reminded her she could change her mind. We promised her death would be comfortable, eased by morphine. It was a promise easier to make than to keep in a nursing home, even one as determined to provide humane end-of-life care as the Hebrew Home for the Aged in Riverdale, where my mother died of dehydration 13 days later.

A recent study in The New England Journal of Medicine surveyed 102 hospice nurses in Oregon about the process of dying this way, an option taken by only 0.3 percent of hospice patients in that state. They were asked to characterize the dying patients' experience on a scale of 0 to 9, with 9 being "a very good death," with little pain and suffering. Overall, the nurses gave the deaths a median score of 8.

I wouldn't score my mother's that high. The first three days were so-so, maybe a 6. The last three days were peaceful, an undisputed 9. It was the week in the middle that was harrowing, at best a 3. And my mother's doctors and nurses, in an institutional setting, faced obstacles not found in hospice care, which usually takes place at home.

A nursing home is closely regulated by the state in its dispensing of narcotics and may be asked to defend the amount of morphine administered. It took an outside pain consultant, a specialist in palliative care, to persuade the staff physicians that they could raise the dosage without risking state sanction or legal liability. Only then did my mother stop pumping one arm frantically, clenching her jaw and staring wide-eyed at the ceiling. In addition, a nursing home is staffed by people with widely differing views about end-of-life issues, unlike a hospice program, which attracts like-minded professionals. Religion, race or personal experience made some of the nurses uneasy about giving the morphine injections. So did affection for someone they had gotten to know over the two years since she moved there, after she could no longer fend for herself in an assisted-living apartment.

Each nurse also drew her own conclusion about whether my mother was in pain, or enough pain to justify medication. My brother wondered if nursing home professionals grow so accustomed to the contorted faces of suffering that what looked unbearable to us was routine for them.

Often the nurses reported that my mother was resting comfortably, and I don't doubt them. Then my brother or I would arrive to find her jumping out of her skin. We were told by my mother's doctors that ceasing food and drink is rare in people this alert and strong. Generally, a patient in the late stages of Alzheimer's disease or cancer will passively lose interest in nutrition and slide into the situation that my mother chose outright. Her condition made the ordeal both longer and harder.

For days, my brother and I badgered the doctors and nurses to medicate her sufficiently to stay ahead of the discomfort. We cried. We screamed. We threatened to take her home. We went ever higher in the home's hierarchy, risking insult to the people who had cared for her so tenderly. We beeped department heads at all hours, collected cellphone numbers from caller ID and shamelessly used them.

Outside her room, we huddled with the heads of all the relevant departments. Why did we promise her she would be comfortable if we couldn't deliver? What good was medication on demand if she had to suffer before she got it? And who gets to decide whether she is suffering, we or they?

My mother's pumping hand, for example, seemed to us a clear sign of physical pain. But arguably she could be signaling frustration that she could not "say" anything anymore, even on the alphabet board. Maybe it was a reflex, devoid of meaning. Possibly she was rowing herself across the river Styx. Who is to say?

Letting my brother and me answer these subjective questions carried its own risk for a nursing home. Unlike many families, we were more or less on the same page, supportive of my mother's decision and grateful she could make it herself. But in these litigious times, I would not blame the home's authorities if they were afraid we would later sue them, in the muddle of grief.

It helped that my mother's wishes were known. She had a living will and a "do not resuscitate" order, but understood that these documents would give her control at the end of her life only under limited circumstances — if her heart stopped, for example.

She also had a health care proxy, in the event she wasn't competent to make her own decisions — as do more than 80 percent of the residents at the Hebrew Home, far above average. But until her condition deteriorated, and we assembled at a family meeting to discuss her narrowing options, I doubt my brother or I would have been as aggressive as my mother was for herself.

Her precise wishes became clear when she enrolled in a "comfort care" program, which enabled her to decide which medical interventions she wanted and which she did not. Of the 784 residents at the Hebrew Home, 26 are on comfort care or a newer hospice program, where outside professionals take over a patient's care. My mother chose comfort care over hospice because she preferred the familiar nurses and social workers to strangers.

As a comfort care patient, my mother refused thickened liquids, which tasted awful, accepting the risk of aspiration pneumonia. She made clear she did not want to be hospitalized. There would be no antibiotics, no feeding tube. Her primary nurse guessed she might have lived for years in her helpless state had she not made these decisions.

My mother's nurses even stopped checking her vital signs. There was no need to know how she was doing if she wasn't going to do anything about it. The only treatment she accepted was designed to make her more comfortable. Wax was removed from her ears when it affected her hearing. A suction machine cleared her throat when she could no longer bring up phlegm.

Still she lingered, twice fighting off pneumonia without medication. She was lying in bed more often than up in her wheelchair. Some days she was too weak to use the alphabet board, except to point to "Yes" and "No." The strength she summoned to spell out "now" signaled her certainty.

Since my mother's funeral, my brother and I have discussed her last days with the care team — conducted our own post-mortem, if you will. Rage at their inability to make her comfortable from Day 1 has softened into an understanding of the challenges in dying this way in a nursing home.

And the wisdom of my mother's choice, however uneven its execution, is evident in photographs from July 4, a week before she started the final leg of her journey. This proud, independent woman looks like a rag doll in the wheelchair, her clothes askew and stained with puréed food from her latest attempt to feed herself. She would cry to return to bed moments after the photo was taken but have to wait until the end of a shift change.

I look at those last pictures now and my heart hurts. To keep them or to throw them away? That is not my mother. It is easier to remember her pumping her hand in pain or fear or fury. And easier still to remember her last quiet days.

211 posted on 10/14/2003 8:23:56 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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This whole post is extremely frustrating to read through. I always thought freepers had a better ability with logic and understanding constitutional law. Some patient freepers try to explain it to you, but some of you are so far gone on your rants that nothing seems to get through.

I believe Terri's life should be saved. As a matter of law, Terri is not being executed. By the interpretation of the courts, Terri is in a vegetative state whose legal guardian is being given permission to take her off life support. From what I've seen, this is a bad decision. Constitutionally, this decision is protected. Jeb has no more constitutional power than you, me, or the police chief of Terri's town to stop this.

On a federal level, the separation of powers is clear. Yes, the courts do have the final say in the interpretation and application of law. That is clearly what it means to be constitutional. That does not give them unlimited power. Legislative branches can impeach judges. Citizens elect legislators. Presidents nominate judges. In Florida, I believe judges are elected. Power is still with the people, it is just that the people are not using their power to elect legislators that will impeach.
212 posted on 10/14/2003 8:27:55 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: MarMema
I'm a nurse, specializing in geriatric rehabilitation. I guess this is why I have such an interest in this case. The poor parents are too trusting in our government. Terri should have started aggressive therapy years ago. JMO but I see neglect all over the board (not by her parents of course).
213 posted on 10/14/2003 8:28:58 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: All
Another poll here, along with a story

Poll is running about 70% in favor of removing the feeding tube. This time it is USA Today running the poll.

The culture here stinks or a lot of people are very misinformed. Wait till their time comes...won't they be surprised.

214 posted on 10/14/2003 8:29:14 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
The culture here stinks or a lot of people are very misinformed.

The culture is really becoming depraved. Very scarry times.

215 posted on 10/14/2003 8:33:42 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: MarMema
Your mother made her own choice. I would have supported her decision too. There are times when feedings should be stopped.
216 posted on 10/14/2003 8:36:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: MarMema
I don't pay any attention to polls. Numbers can be skewed and questions asked to get the results desired.
217 posted on 10/14/2003 8:38:25 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: First_Salute
I think we already went through this type of extra-constitutional standoff with Roy Moore in Alabama. In the end everyone loses.
218 posted on 10/14/2003 8:59:35 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone
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To: My Favorite Headache
Not to sound cold, but who is most responsible for Terri Schindler-Schiavo marrying the type of man she did? You? Me? or her?
219 posted on 10/14/2003 9:01:29 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone
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To: My Favorite Headache
I just can't believe Terri's "husband" wants to bump her off. Makes no sense! And that lawyer!! What a creep! Thanks to all the FReepers who have kept up the pressure. Hopefully, it will make the difference.
220 posted on 10/14/2003 9:03:23 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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