24-hour Vigil Planned for Terri SchiavoFounder of Operation Rescue Joins the Vigil

Randall Terry

[amdgmary]

On Monday, Oct 13, at noon, family and friends of Terri Schindler-Schiavo will begin a round-the-clock vigil on at Woodside Hospice located at 6774 102nd Ave N, Pinellas Park (66th St N & 102nd Ave).

Terri is scheduled to have her feeding tube removed on Wednesday, Oct 15, at 2:00 pm. A policeman will be posted at Terri's door at the hospice in order to keep the parents out. Michael Schiavo, the husband, has ordered that the does not want family and friends near Terri.

Please join us at Woodside Hospice anytime - day or night - calling on Governor Jeb Bush to use his executive power to save Terri's life. Your presence will be welcomed for any length of time.

Please contact Gov. Jeb Bush and ask him to save Terri's life. He has the power to do so. Gov. Bush's e-mail is Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com and fl_governor@eog.state.fl.us. His phone number is 850-488-7146.

Randall Terry would like as many people as possible to call or send an e-mail to Gov. Bush. If you do call or send a message, please thank him for acting as "amicus curiae" (friend of the court) on behalf of Terri.

Terri is disabled, but she is not in a coma or in a persistant vegetative state. She is fully aware of her surroundings and responds to people around her. She laughs and smiles when her parents visit her. Last night, her parents told me that she says "yes", "no", "hello." This may not sound like much, but it shows that Terri is not in a coma as her husband claims. Terri also told her parents that she does not want to be starved to death.

Randall Terry of Operation Rescue will hold a press conference at noon on Monday, Oct 13th. He will also have a press conference on Tueday at noon and Wednesday at 2:00 pm. If you live in the Tampa Bay area, please join us for the vigil.

It is inconceivable that a judge has ordered the death of an innocent woman. We need to do everything in our power to help Terri.

Thank you for your support!

[litany_of_lies]

He gave you plenty of justification in a short paragraph, which represents about 10% of Greer's improper ethics.

You're just bound and determined to off her, aren't you? Why not let the parents have her, no strings attached?

(Likely Answer: If she ever gets coherent, she'll be able to testify that she suffered from years of abuse, and doctors will be able to corroborate that her collapse was caused by the abuse).

Lovely people you're siding with.

[Poohbah]

He gave you plenty of justification in a short paragraph, which represents about 10% of Greer's improper ethics.

He hasn't actually shown where they ARE "improper ethics," he just arm-waves and says they are.

Lovely people you're siding with.

Not "siding" with anyone. I hear a lot of shouting, and see a lot of arm-waving. I don't see a lot of fact to back up the shouting and arm-waving. The complaints about Greer are worthless absent specific citations from Florida state law to show how the judge is required to rule a certain way.

[Lovergirl]

FYI, I just went to visit the wfla.com site and they have an article about the protestors. Also says Jeb can't do anything. This is horrible.

[Theodore R.]

Obviously, you did not read the two previous posts. The misdeeds are legion.

[Theodore R.]

Because of your attitude, there is no way that anyone could answer your "question" to your satisfaction.

[Poohbah]

Obviously, you did not read the two previous posts. The misdeeds are legion.

I read them. Twice.

Rulings you disagree with are not automatically "misdeeds."

Because of your attitude, there is no way that anyone could answer your "question" to your satisfaction.

Yeah, I'm one of those guys who, if someone says that the judge is a crook, actually expects some citations from state law to back up the claim.

So, you got some statutes to back up your claim, or are you just shouting and arm-waving?

[strela]

Randall Terry of Operation Rescue will hold a press conference at noon on Monday, Oct 13th. He will also have a press conference on Tueday at noon and Wednesday at 2:00 pm.

Casual dress and morals, no-host bar.

[strela]

So, you got some statutes to back up your claim, or are you just shouting and arm-waving?

My vote goes for the latter.

[pc93]

He talked to the press telling them how he was going to rule in regards to not appointing a Guardian Ad Litem. He indicated to the press that he respected a fax letter that Jeb Bush wrote him but that he was going to put it in the court file. He then proceeded to tell Sherrif Rice at a baseball game that he was pissed off that Jeb wrote him a letter and that if Jeb was an attorney he would consider an ex parte communication and he would be grieved before the bar. Sherrif Rice told this to attorney Patricia Anderson and subsquently tried to lie for Greer after he told Greer of his slip of the tongue. Greer took part in faxing a fax to Rice trying to say that she faxed Rice "Motion to Dismiss" Judge Greer when she had only faxed him affidavits of caregivers who had come forward with information of Michaels criminal acts and intentions, etc. There is much more. Greer is a lier, he never gave Terri a chance and he deserves to be suspended by Jeb under this law:

112.52 Removal of a public official when a method is not otherwise
provided.--

(1) When a method for removal from office is not otherwise provided
by the State Constitution or by law, the Governor may by executive
order suspend from office an elected or appointed public official,
by whatever title known, who is indicted or informed against for
commission of any felony, or for any misdemeanor arising directly
out of his or her official conduct or duties, and may fill the
office by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend
beyond the term.

(2) During the period of the suspension, the public official shall
not perform any official act, duty, or function or receive any pay,
allowance, emolument, or privilege of office.

(3) If convicted, the public official may be removed from office by
executive order of the Governor. For the purpose of this section,
any person who pleads guilty or nolo contendere or who is found
guilty shall be deemed to have been convicted, notwithstanding the
suspension of sentence or the withholding of adjudication. (4) If
the public official is acquitted or found not guilty, or the
charges are otherwise dismissed, the Governor shall by executive
order revoke the suspension; and the public official shall be
entitled to full back pay and such other emoluments or allowances
to which he or she would have been entitled had he or she not been
suspended.

History.--s. 1, ch. 80-333; s. 720, ch. 95-147.]

[Theodore R.]

Read the 8,000 posts.

[Poohbah]

You've listed the section of code pertaining to removing the judge; you have yet to list the relevant statutes pertaining to what actions of the judge would warrant doing so.

[Poohbah]

Read the 8,000 posts.

You made the assertion; you need to show the proof.

[Poohbah]

All we need is a post listing the statute, and the action or ruling that violated same.

[jmc813]

Translation: you don't have any real misdeeds to report, merely the fact that you dislike his rulings.

PLEASE tell me you're not siding with Schiavo on this. Please.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Here are the statutes regarding guardianship for people in Terri's condition:

744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:

(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.

(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(e) To have a qualified guardian.

(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.

(g) To be properly educated.

(h) To receive prudent financial management for his or her property and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or she has lost the right to manage property.

(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(j) To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.

(k) To have access to the courts.

(l) To counsel.

(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.

(n) To notice of all proceedings related to determination of capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

(o) To privacy.

(2) Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining incapacity include the right:

(a) To marry.

(b) To vote.

(c) To personally apply for government benefits.

(d) To have a driver's license.

(e) To travel.

(f) To seek or retain employment.

(3) Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining incapacity and which may be delegated to the guardian include the right:

(a) To contract.

(b) To sue and defend lawsuits.

(c) To apply for government benefits.

(d) To manage property or to make any gift or disposition of property.

(e) To determine his or her residence.

(f) To consent to medical and mental health treatment.

(g) To make decisions about his or her social environment or other social aspects of his or her life.

(4) Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:

(a) Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter 393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(b) Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment. The court may permit such performance or participation only if:

1. It is of direct benefit to, and is intended to preserve the life of or prevent serious impairment to the mental or physical health of the ward; or

2. It is intended to assist the ward to develop or regain his or her abilities.

(c) Initiate a petition for dissolution of marriage for the ward.

(d) Consent on behalf of the ward to termination of the ward's parental rights.

(e) Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance of a sterilization or abortion procedure on the ward.

History.--s. 34, ch. 89-96; s. 19, ch. 90-271; s. 36, ch. 93-39; s. 13, ch. 94-183; s. 44, ch. 96-169; s. 6, ch. 96-354; s. 1782, ch. 97-102.

If you would like to peruse it yourself, here's the link:
http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0744/ch0744.htm

Oh, and if you want to know what a retained right is, it means it can't be delegated to someone else. It belongs only to the ward.

[sarasmom]

And then, what would you do Poohbah?
Because if you have some kind of majick wand to actually do something to help here, I will gladly comb through all 8000 plus posts.
If it is just a rhetorical question,to satisfy your curiosity, well, sorry.
I do not mean to sound combative,but many FReepers who have been trying to get justice for Terri Schiavo for years, are now seeing nothing left to do but pray, which we have always done.
Pray for the Schindlers, Terri Schiavo, and the State of Florida. All of the above need it desparately.

[Poohbah]

OK, fine.

You still haven't actually connected the dots here.

(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

When was the last annual review?

(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.

If anything, this is an EXTREMELY continuous review.

(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

Correct. Is Schiavo actually physically capable of this?

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(e) To have a qualified guardian.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(g) To be properly educated.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(h) To receive prudent financial management for his or her property and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or she has lost the right to manage property.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(j) To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma. There seems to be disagreement here. That's why we have courts.

(k) To have access to the courts.

Based on the sheer volume of filings, this right is being enforced with a vengeance.

(l) To counsel.

Based on the sheer volume of filings, this right is being enforced with a vengeance.

(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma.

(n) To notice of all proceedings related to determination of capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma.

(o) To privacy.

OK.

We've walked through the list and you have yet to actually tie any specific ruling to a violation of this statute.

This ain't rocket science; if there were real grounds for removing the judge, the motion would've been filed already unless the Schindlers' attorney is too stupid to figure that out...

[Poohbah]

And then, what would you do Poohbah?

Because if you have some kind of majick wand to actually do something to help here, I will gladly comb through all 8000 plus posts.

I could recommend the strategery to follow. But, of course, the Schindlers' attorney would know this, too.

If it is just a rhetorical question,to satisfy your curiosity, well, sorry.

Very well, then I really can't go along with the shouting and arm-waving.

I do not mean to sound combative,but many FReepers who have been trying to get justice for Terri Schiavo for years, are now seeing nothing left to do but pray, which we have always done.

If you cannot persuade others with facts of the rightness of your cause here, that might be a microcosm of your problems in the court system. I'm a LOT easier to convince than some guy with a black robe and a gavel.

[Ohioan from Florida]

The rulings are there, but I'm sure you don't want to do any of the homework. You want to be spoon-fed info, but you don't want anyone to spoon-feed Terri food or water.

From my previous post the statutes that were violated by Schiavo and Greer are from the first section referring to Terri's retained rights. For possible infractions look at (a),(b),& (m). For those that have definitely been violated see (c),(d),(e),(f),(h),(i),(j),(k), and (l).

You'd have to go back to the judge's actual rulings which can be found at http://www.terrisfight.org . Some are in pdf format, and some are in plain text.

Now get to your studies!

[jmc813]

The woman is allegedly in a non-responsive coma.

Have you seen the video on the website? She is most certainly NOT in a non-responsive coma, alledgedly or otherwise.