To: Dan from Michigan
Thanks for the info Dan. Your posts are always interesting and informative
To: Dan from Michigan
I like it. I like it a lot.
And I think Wisconsin and Minnesota and Iowa are ripe for the picking.
3 posted on
06/27/2003 12:29:47 PM PDT by
JohnnyZ
(I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
To: Dan from Michigan
Excellent analysis of the 2004 election. Bush shouldn't just focus on the Electoral College Map. He also should examine the Senate 2004 Map, and campaign heavily in states that are good GOP Senate pickups. FL, GA, NC, NV, and maybe SD are good opportunities for GOP gains. Bush might have to campaign in AK to protect a GOP incumbent.
My home state of IL, the Land of Lincoln, ought to be changed to the Daley Empire. Chicago is just too large to overcome. Plus IL has Downstate social conservatives who believe whatever the labor unions tell them. Bush is not going to win IL.
4 posted on
06/27/2003 12:30:13 PM PDT by
Kuksool
To: Dan from Michigan
This is a great post. Just a few things. First, Jackson county contains all of KC and a lot of the KC suburbs. Boone county contains Columbia in the central part of the state. You are correct that St. Charles county is comprised of St. Louis suburbs and exurbs. Here are a few other counties that are important for Bush:
CHRISTIAN
Office Candidate Party Votes % of Votes
U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 29 of 29
Al Gore, Joe Lieberman DEM 7,896 34.0%
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney REP 14,824 63.8%
Harry Browne, Art Olivier LIB 44 .2%
Howard Phillips, J. Curtis Frazier CST 26 .1%
Pat Buchanan, Ezola Foster REF 146 .6%
John Hagelin, Mike Tompkins NAT 13 .1%
Ralph Nader, Winona LaDuke GRE 279 1.2%
This is Christian county. It is the fastest growing county in the state of Missouri. I am actually moving there next month. It is also the county between Springfield and Branson. It is considered the county that contains most of the Springfield suburbs. It is heavily Republican and Bush needs a large margin from here.
JASPER
Office Candidate Party Votes % of Votes
U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 65 of 65
Al Gore, Joe Lieberman DEM 11,737 31.3%
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney REP 24,899 66.4%
Harry Browne, Art Olivier LIB 111 .3%
Howard Phillips, J. Curtis Frazier CST 31 .1%
Pat Buchanan, Ezola Foster REF 115 .3%
John Hagelin, Mike Tompkins NAT 14 .0%
Ralph Nader, Winona LaDuke GRE 574 1.5%
Jasper county (Joplin)is the most Republican large county in Missouri. I grew up there and it is more Republican now than it was 10 years ago. Bush needs to get into the high 60s here.
NEWTON
Office Candidate Party Votes % of Votes
U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 27 of 27
Al Gore, Joe Lieberman DEM 6,447 30.5%
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney REP 14,232 67.3%
Harry Browne, Art Olivier LIB 43 .2%
Howard Phillips, J. Curtis Frazier CST 22 .1%
Pat Buchanan, Ezola Foster REF 86 .4%
John Hagelin, Mike Tompkins NAT 6 .0%
Ralph Nader, Winona LaDuke GRE 326 1.5%
Newton county holds most of the suburbs of Joplin, if Joplin is big enough to have suburbs. It is also a very fast growing county. Turnout in these three counties increased enough in 2002 to give Jim Talent his victory. These counties really need a large turnout for Bush to win in 2004.
5 posted on
06/27/2003 1:12:20 PM PDT by
ACAC
To: Dan from Michigan
Part of the problems Bush had in 2000 was due to the fact that the GOP allowed themselves to be defined as extreme in the wake of the impeachment mess of 98-99, and also, this caused black turn out to surge to record levels in 2000 as well. Another thing Bush had to overcome is Gore was running as the quasi incumbent during a time of alleged peace & properity, and that gave him a boost. Another factor when people analyse the 2000 vote that is never discussed is the impact the Bush DUI revelations had in the last days before the election. This in itself probably shifted at least 1% of the vote nationally, and the impact in the MidWest was probably 2-3% in some areas. The exit polls I saw was the people who decided to vote in the last days before the election broke heavily for Gore.
7 posted on
06/27/2003 8:05:31 PM PDT by
JNB
To: Dan from Michigan
Dan, excellent analysis, but I think you're being too pessimistic. The non-Southern suburbs, which swung mightily from the GOP to the RATs in the 1990s, will almost certainly switch back to us because of national security issues. This will greatly increase Bush's percentages in the Philly suburbs in PA, NJ and DE, the Washington suburbs in VA and MD, the New York suburbs in NY, NJ and CT, the Boston suburbs in MA and NH and the Chicago, LA, Minneapolis and Detroit suburbs. I think Bush will get around 57% in New Hampshire and Virginia, around 55% in Delaware and Pennsylvania (Western PA is no longer the Democrat stronghold it was during the '80s), around 53% in Michigan and Minnesota, around 50% in CA, IL, NJ, CT and MD, and around 47% in NY and around 45% in MA. If I'm correct about this, Bush should get between 375-475 electoral votes.
The one RAT that scares me is Gephardt, whose pro-labor record and economic populism could make things tough in WV, MI, OH, PA, MO, IA and WI, plus he voted against the Yucca Mountain repository so he could challenge in NV. But Gephardt would still need a recession, a failed war and a lot of luck to be able to beat Bush.
10 posted on
06/30/2003 5:08:52 PM PDT by
AuH2ORepublican
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: Dan from Michigan
To win Illinois in the future Republicans have to kick major ass downstate as they should but don't.
11 posted on
06/30/2003 6:50:59 PM PDT by
Impy
(Dear Justice O'Connor, If you want to see your cat alive again.....)
To: Dan from Michigan
Jackson County 150183 Bush by 1603 49% (Kansas City suburbs) Jackson County is Kansas City proper (all of City of Kansas City, except for North of River towards Airport), and some eastern suburbs (Indepedence and Raytown, Demo strongholds)
That being the case, I don't understand the data. Jackson county should be strongly in Demo column.
To: Dan from Michigan
Hey Dan... wondering if you could send me a link or two to the info you posted (the election data). I'd like to do analysis of New York, my home state, which will definitely be an important one in '04. (The question, unfortunately, is not WHETHER Bush will lose here, but by how much. NY sucks).
-sdk
18 posted on
08/03/2003 7:52:05 PM PDT by
sdk7x7
(AMERICA, LET'S ROLL!)
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