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He confessed to a killing at 21. Is it time for California to give him a second chance?
CalMatters ^ | July 29, 2025 | BY JOE GARCIA

Posted on 07/29/2025 5:11:44 PM PDT by artichokegrower

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Is it time for California to give him a second chance?

Hell No! Next

21 posted on 07/29/2025 6:06:45 PM PDT by tlozo (“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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To: artichokegrower

So why are globe artichokes $2.79 apiece at Walmart? I’d eat them every day if my bank account could handle it. Italian style they are the best.


22 posted on 07/29/2025 6:09:23 PM PDT by 4Runner ("I gotta join a union just to get a job loafin'?" " Sure ya do!" --Abbott & Costello)
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To: Luke21

Reminds me of Saddam Hussein and dealing with his handler after the Iraqi war. Saddam always appeared with his Koran. I will bet he never read it and only did that for appearance.


23 posted on 07/29/2025 6:09:51 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: artichokegrower
“It’s like 99.5% go on to never harm another human being, within three years of release, which is extraordinary.”

So except for that .5% who will harm us immediately, we can expect not to be harmed by the others for three whole years? That doesn't sound like much of a deal, actually.

24 posted on 07/29/2025 6:17:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Luke21; artichokegrower

In my traditional Choctaw tradition, a killer was expected to be killed in a public place by a close kinsman. This penalty was imposed on even unintentional killings or accidents.
There are good descriptions of this from the 1800’s, the last such “execution” taking place in Indian Territory in the mostly civilized 1880’s (if I remember correctly). The condemed man was given months to get his affairs in order and was free to wander the Territory in that time. But, on a date certain, he was expected to present himself. His kinsman (usually a beloved cousin or uncle) would walk up to him, visit a moment, and when the condemed was ready, he would hold a firearm next to his heart and fire one deadly shot.
It was unheard of for the condemed man to leave the Territory or otherwise fail in his duty to show up. If he ran, a blood feud would ensue because the original victim’s family would be due a “life for a life.” Any person in the condemed’s family would do as payment, men, women, wives, or children, but only one andno more.
I think we see a remnant of the blood feud mentality in Chicago gangland killings today.


25 posted on 07/29/2025 6:19:24 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: bigbob

Agree...NO!


26 posted on 07/29/2025 6:21:00 PM PDT by econjack
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To: oldplayer

Where did my paragraphing go? I swear, I used paragraphs with line-spacing in the original post. Sorry for the run-on appearance above.


27 posted on 07/29/2025 6:21:32 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: artichokegrower

He got his second chance when he did not receive the death penalty.


28 posted on 07/29/2025 6:21:35 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: rlmorel

Look at murderer Tex Watson’s web site. He refuses parole so that people won’t think his conversion was to get out of jail. He was in Manson’s gang and killed Sharon Tate.

https://www.aboundinglove.org/


29 posted on 07/29/2025 6:27:05 PM PDT by Fai Mao (I used to care, but things have changed ~ Bob Dylan)
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To: artichokegrower
If he wants assisted suicide, I'd say make him an appointment.

30 posted on 07/29/2025 7:12:16 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: artichokegrower

The victims will never have a second chance


31 posted on 07/29/2025 7:29:03 PM PDT by californian by choice (Who are those who believe in science?)
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To: artichokegrower

Oh my goodness, I read this as “He confessed to killing 21....”

Shows how bad Cali really has become, that I thought that was plausible!

Too lazy to read this, they are paroling cop killers in Crazy Messed Up NY State, so maybe this guy can be paroled.

Just glad 20 hypothetical people are still alive and not murdered!


32 posted on 07/29/2025 7:47:16 PM PDT by jocon307 (DEMOCRATS DELENDA EST)
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To: Fai Mao

I am familiar with him, and I certainly respect and admire that he appears to have genuinely found Christ.

The world is a small place.

My younger sister lived in a commune in New Hampshire up at the Canadian Border back in the Seventies or early eighties. They had no plumbing, electricity or heating (they were squatting on some guy’s land and he let them) and one of the people who lived up there with her was Linda Kasabian, the woman who turned state’s witness.

She said she was pretty normal.


33 posted on 07/29/2025 8:50:29 PM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I say give him a chance.

So, we can move him in with you?

34 posted on 07/29/2025 8:54:46 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: Fai Mao

I went to his page; from what is available to read, the man seems genuinely contrite and repentant for his crimes. Does not mean I would EVER want him freed ... and it seems he agrees with that sentiment.


35 posted on 07/30/2025 12:18:44 AM PDT by Spacetrucker
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To: artichokegrower

No, this guy should have been shot between the eyes the minute he was found guilty in a court of law. If he confessed, then all the more so. It’s far better treatment than he gave his victim.


36 posted on 07/30/2025 12:32:56 AM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man, but it's ok---- I wasn't married to it.)
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To: Fungi

Kind of like clintoon and his bible...


37 posted on 07/30/2025 6:42:36 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp)
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To: Bullish

What’s with all the misguided “release murderers” stance? When they die in prison, they will be “released”.


38 posted on 07/30/2025 6:44:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Don’t be such a hard hearted a-hole. Cons get second chances all the time. Likely the guy only got half-assed representation from a public defender when a decent lawyer would have gotten a deal where he would already be out of prison. And you know it.


39 posted on 07/30/2025 8:07:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Time to dump out the Treasury drawer and throw out all the junk that is wasting our money.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So, is that is a yes, you are willing to have him move in with you?

Or is that a no because you are willing to put other people at risk but not yourself?

And sorry but when it come to murder, rape and such, no, no second chances.

You may wail and whine about how that is "hardhearted" and I will not care. Because the goal is to keep as many people from being raped and murdered as possible. Not to put innocent people at risk for your "I'm a GOOD person" unearned dopamine hit.

You want that go help your neighbor clean his yard or teach people to read or something.

Do not do it by promoting things that put others at risk.

40 posted on 07/30/2025 8:32:24 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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