Rush Limbaugh Warns: America Could Be ‘Trending Toward Secession’

The Political Insider ^ | 12.10.20 | RUSTY WEISS

[GOPJ]

I can live in France withouting being a French citizen - but I can’t vote in their elections.

It would be the same with dividing our country.

For example Florida is a red state - and if a democrat wanted to continue living in Florida after the split, they could. But they would NOT be able to vote and they would have to live under the laws of OUR COUNTRY.

If a conservative wanted to live in New York, they would have to pay New York taxes, have their guns confiscated, and their children ‘educated’ in left-wing propaganda centers.

My guess is after a few decades the issue would solve itself. I don’t want to live in a country made into a hellhole by liberals. They don’t want to live in a country with free sp...eech...

It’s time to divide the country

[Morpheus2009]

I get the bad feeling that the Blue would try to take the red back.

[DownInFlames]

You are correct. Unfortunately, those red states who are recipients of the blue state refugees won’t be red much longer.

[GOPJ]

A ‘blue country’ would be overrun with low skill illegals, angry black women, and clueless white liberal ‘elites’ who think they can hold their exalted spot when the working people of the country and the ‘ranks’ of our military have their own RED country. (yes, the BLUE country will keep the corrupt elite Generals and corrupt elite FBI agents)...We’ll have the rest...

Remember one out of six black men voted for Trump - and 40% of Hispanics. They’ll come with us - they’re hard working and want to live in a law and order prosperous county...

Who does that leave for the ‘BLUE’ country? Lots of people who will be demanding free health care and $20 minimum wages, folks who believe in burning down cities and looting if they don’t get their way... Antifa and BLM meet gullible white ‘elites’... with no buffer - that’ll deteriorate quickly...

[Morpheus2009]

The best would be if Blue country builds walls to keep their own people from leaving.

[Svartalfiar]

There’s no guarantee that the secession will result in unified states. Not only that, but in many states, the city population is literally most of the state population. How are so few people supposed to contain cities of millions? How are the powerful military assets, National Guard bases, etc, supposed to be secured. A mob with guns is dangerous, even if untrained.

True, but I don't see much of the Blue States' liberal areas seceding. And a few people can easily contain a large city - cities are extremely dense and resource intensive, and would fall into self-destruction after a couple days of preventing food/fuel shipments into the city. How many people do you think have enough food in their apartment right now to feed themselves for a week? If the city really tried to fight the surrounding area, They can maybe venture way out and arrest random people, but the first time they do that they're sitting ducks for potshots anytime they leave the city. How is the city going to seriously defend itself from small bands sneaking in and causing whatever havoc they attempt? Sure, Manhatten has few entry points, but any big city in middle America is miles of no border on most sides. None of them have the police force to defend that, and few of them have the heavy-Dem presence to enforce it. Cities are much much harder to defend in any kind of anarchy setting.

Military bases with an active presence likely have enough firepower to defend themselves for a short time, and can easily be resupplied from larger bases nearby. NG armories not so much, and every single NG unit will likely not defend the armory from a mob attempting to ransack it. Just not worth it, And there's very little ammo stored in MDay armories on a normal basis. If this is a series of events where the States have time to plan, you can bet NG units are going to be called up 100% across the nation, and there'll be guards on sensitive items, and most weapons in the vaults will likely have been issued out. And at that point, there would likely be plans in place including a decent amount of local LE or State Troopers assigned to help guard any Guard armories. Just like riot duty, ROE will be issued out, and will include the right to fire in self defense. If the situation is that serious, they'll likely include fire options on hostile persons who do not respect a certain buffer zone around a building or other sensitive military equipment. You might have some Red States that don't call up their Guards (just like the riots), but we saw what happened with those in places like Seattle.

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I think secession, ie the US breaking up into several regions would be BY FAR the least harmful and least disruptive of all the potential futures I can imagine at this point.

It would be harmful and disruptive. You don't throw away what you've always had without a lot of harmful stuff coming to the surface. Older countries that have had to struggle and suffer recognize that a national loss of confidence can be traumatic and paralyzing. If you're forced to admit that your national experiment has been a failure, you don't go on to success after success.

. I think the only attachment that most people have to the 48 contigious states being “one land for all of us” is purely sentimental and it never withstands scrutiny.

That "sentimental attachment" may be more real and deeper than current disagreements. We haven't been tested as our parents or grandparents were so we can indulge in political posturing and backbiting, but Americans usually come together when they have to -- in business, in the military.

Examples abound, but if you’re a farmer in western Kansas, how do you think that angry leftist school teacher yelling at protesters at a demonstration in Portland feels about you? And vice versa? Literally, nothing in common. Contempt on all sides.

It's a big country. You see the Portland riots on TV -- a few thousand people a thousand miles away -- but do they really touch your life?

It’s the most peaceful solution to the present polarized sides. And it would undoubtedly result in many (a dozen? More) alternatives from which people could choose their degree of freedom. Pick your poison, so to speak.

You might have to cross multiple checkpoints just to get to work or to the store. And while there will be plenty of alternatives presented by various nutcases. Some of them will be disastrous.

The idea of an American model or way of life will be lost. Some people will fall under a nutcase regime of one sort or other. Eventually most of the successor states will come to follow a European or Asian model and conform to what their new foreign masters' orders.

Sooner or later, a crisis will bring the country back together. Breaking up the country will cause that kind of crisis, but it also makes it happen too late to bring the country together.

[x]

A civil war is when two (or more) factions are fighting for control of the same government.

A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country. You may say that you aren't a citizen of the United States, but the 1861-1865 war was recognized as a civil war at the time.

And, up until that point, secession was never questioned as a power belonging to the States.

Of course it was. There was debate about whether a state could secede on its own. Many people thought secession would result in civil war.

It was only after the war that Dems Repubs tried to find a not-too-convoluted explanation for why secession wasn't allowed

The Constitution is the law of the land. You can't simply say it doesn't apply to you and expect people to let it go at that.

If a Harris admin really does happen and possibly causes a secession movement, it's not just gonna be 30ish States. it's gonna end up being those States, plus 75% of the remaining States, since the newly formed Union would have no reason to NOT allow those sections to leave the USSA and join up.

So you might have to cross national borders several times to go to work or to the mall or to visit relatives? People get tired of that very quickly.

And partition didn't work so well in the Middle East. Countries don't like to be non-contiguous - a piece here, a piece there, a bit over there - and inevitably lay claim to the land between the various sections in order to be viable nations. War is the usual result.

[GOPJ]

The best would be if Blue country builds walls to keep their own people from leaving.

That'll happen. Free countries build walls to keep people out - Commie hellholes built wall to keep people from escaping.

[2big2fail]

This was a very thoughtful response. Thank you! Will take time to digest. Appreciate this!!

[gitmo]

The Constitution is the law of the land.

It used to be.

[PghBaldy]

GOP usually, if not always, wins Staten Island. Not the case with those four States you listed.

[Crucial]

If Texas wants to be free, it better secede.

[Biggirl]

I am afraid there is a DIVORCE coming.

[Biggirl]

I have learned to back talk to end argument.

[hopespringseternal]

Actually, dems talk openly of secession every time republicans are in power as well.

Secession is something that needs to be (and can be) sold, though. Both sides hate each other, and neither one wants to be ruled in any way by the other. In the long term, it is almost inevitable.