Posted on 11/10/2020 7:39:47 PM PST by entropy12
Voter identification is only on the outside envelope. Ballot itself has no identification. (secret voting protocol)
PA law is very clear from what I’ve heard. If the process isn’t followed, the ballot is invalid.
I agree with you.
Once a invalid ballot is mixed in with valid ballots and tabulated,
it is impossible to “subtract” that particular vote from the tally.
Why not? Would this not take the legislature out of the mix?
Mind you, no mail in ballots and they would have to figure out some way to do absentee ballots, but would this not show conclusively once and for all that Biden won?
Biden says he has the votes. He got the most votes in history after all!
If it goes to the legislature half the country would not accept the result. The legislature can punt this to a special election in order to make every vote count. If not, there is no other remedy that I see other than the legislature has to take responsibility. Politicians hate responsibility.
The legislature will have to decide, but they do have an out if they codify it and it takes the pressure off of them. They can bring in other election workers from the rest of the state to make sure the count is done swiftly.
No revote. Counties that allowed or couldn’t prevent fraud should be punished by having their votes invalidated. Call it accountability. It’s the only way they will clean up their act.
There are reports some of the ballots counted were nothing more than photocopies in Michigan, If these ballots were disappeared after the election then they won’t be there for a recount but if they are still there then yes you would be able to detect fraud ballots even outside their envelopes.
What you need is an audit of a statistical random sample of the envelopes separate from the ballots with a detailed canvass which would be separate from the ballots being recounted. Part of the audit is to count all the envelopes, there were reports that naked ballots were fed through the machine, these are ballots without envelopes, these would show up in this audit as well.
Depending on what is found, the up to the entire county could be wiped out.
They will toss all ballots that came after Election Day with no poll watchers to examine its the easiest and fairest thing to do .obvious cheating and they spoiled the evidence just go with what was there before they added the bullshit votes. That’s obvious since they lied and said they were done for the night but wow they found 100k more votes for shit head .
In those contested states check every ballot with only Biden’s name checked, for ink analysis and fingerprints.
“If it goes to the legislature half the country would not accept the result.”
It’s constitutional. That’s all that matters. The supreme court will uphold it.
If Trump needs to declare martial law to bring rioters to heel I call it a bonus.
Once a invalid ballot is mixed in with valid ballots and tabulated,
it is impossible to “subtract” that particular vote from the tally.
Which is why all the ballots must not be counted. Blame the elections officials who oversaw this mess. It’s harsh, but there is no viable way to fix this situation.
The legislature needs to think outside the box and schedule a special election for that county. Period. It’s a safe punt and it would follow the legal process the same legislature passed so as not to disenfranchise a single voter in that county.
The media and Biden will howl, but in the end the voters in that district will have their chance to speak to clear up any ambiguity.
They can see what time ballots were entered into the count just toss them all. They are spoiled ballots at this point no matter who got them. We know who had the 700,000 vote lead . There was no reason to stop counting whatsoever , and guess what they didnt stop counting. They lied to get poll watchers to leave and more ballots were bought in through the back.
Incorrect, as some fraud isn't related to ID, but can instead be related to the physical aspect of the ballot. A ballot that was forensically determined to be stamped by machine, for example.
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They cannot get a mulligan. The duty of the court is to protect every voter in the state. If I voted for Trump and there were no shenanigans in my county and my vote was erased by fraud I am just as much a victim as any Biden voter in that county if they toss an entire county. I do agree that would be justice, but courts would be reluctant to do it.
I agree with all of you that there is only one constitutional answer and that is for the legislature to appoint the electoral voters, but politicians don’t like to do stuff like that. They could “legislate” a remedy.
If Biden fights it he tells the world he knows the results would not favor him. The status quo is going to create a huge mess.
I do think the legislature could do it if they thought outside the box. The courts would have to respect it also because it even gives them an out as well. It removes most of the blame from the Governor, legislature, and the courts.
I don’t see how you could possibly have a re-vote.
Who would vote? Only those who voted before? A free-for-all? The population of Georgia would quadruple.
Are people supposed to promise to vote the same way they did before? If they can change their mind, then what is the point.
Who would count the votes? The same people who cheated, now?
One thing I like about all this:
It shows just how ugly and shabby supposedly “virtuous” Democracy is.
It’s still just one troop if monkeys clubbing at the other with femur bones.
I don’t disagree. You wrote a nice and concise summary.
Perhaps the court will do just what you recommend, but it still leaves all in a pickle that every vote “was not counted” as they like to say.
Keeping people from despair is important. Trump won't be able to continue if his base gives up.
Attending rallies will demonstrate that resolve, there's one in D.C. this weekend.
Dig Dig Dig for new information. This is not just re-posting news articles. This is digging into the dark corners of the internet for information about what tactics and tools may have been used, so that information can come to light.
You're doing great overall, I would say, by the way.
Think of all the other races and propositions that were also falsified.
Maybe that is the only explanation for AOC and OMAR
The registered voters in that county will have a chance to cast a ballot and both sides can have observers. It would be done according to law and the list of registered voters.
How could anyone other than the far left fringe dispute the results?
The only other alternative is to throw out all the votes for that county. There is no other remedy. I don’t believe the votes counted are time stamped so they would argue that they did not have enough people to count the ballots. Bring in election workers from the rest of the state and you would get it done quickly and properly.
how long would it take to have a revote?...not enough time
“Fraud ballots are impossible to detect! Correct me if wrong!”
You are correct.
That’s why, in at least one counting center, workers were lickety-split removing ballots from the identifying sleeves/envelopes, and discarding the envelopes. Then, lickety-split, they were co-mingled with all the other ballots.
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