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This Democrat Went to a MAGA Rally to Try to Understand Trump Supporters
Vice ^ | August 17, 2019 | Liz Landers

Posted on 08/17/2019 1:13:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire — President Donald Trump threw himself another big rally Thursday night, this time in Manchester, New Hampshire, a state he nearly clinched in 2016.

We invited Lucas Meyer, the president of the Young Democrats of New Hampshire, to attend the rally with VICE News and talk to Trump’s fanatical supporters about why they love him so much. He agreed to attend because it’s “instructive to experience.”

"Maybe I'll learn something new. I don't count on it. And part of it is I want to see it to, like, motivate myself for the next year and a half,” Meyer said before we arrived downtown outside the Southern New Hampshire University Arena. The last Trump rally Meyer attended was on the day before Election Day 2016 — as a protester. After talking with five supporters, he didn’t find much common ground, even with someone who once voted blue, Jennifer McCormick. She was a big Bernie Sanders supporter in 2016, and said she was “disgusted” by the way the Democratic Party treated him in the primary process. She has found solace in Donald Trump.

When Meyer told her he believes Clinton fairly won the primary race, McCormick questioned the fact that Clinton won the popular vote.

"I think that's a fact. I don't think that's an opinion. And the fact that won. No you disagree?” Meyer responded.

(Excerpt) Read more at vice.com ...


TOPICS: New Hampshire; Campaign News; Parties
KEYWORDS: maga; trump2020; trumprally
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wondered what that smell was....


21 posted on 08/17/2019 2:03:01 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Exactly. The two sides “talk past each other” because one side talks facts and the other side talks shite. Popular vote is entirely irrelevant, so she should have given him no more time on that argument than on Hillary’s favorite pantsuit.

The same is true on any issue. Mention “gun control” and they’ll start yammering about “assault weapons” which is an artificial construct only they seem to recognize. Talk about abortion and they’ll give you “women’s health”.

Just stop the crap, liberals, if you want to understand Trump supporters:

Trump won the only vote count that matters. The 2nd amendment does not make exceptions. Abortion is killing a baby. Those are our facts. THE facts.


22 posted on 08/17/2019 2:06:04 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and talk to Trump’s fanatical supporters about why they love him so much

It is not hard to understand.

Trump:

is against high taxes
is a pro business value producer/creator
wants to stop illegal immigration
is for protecting natural rights of Americans
is for making America great again
is against all forms or terrorism and terrorist sympathizers

23 posted on 08/17/2019 2:07:06 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: NewJerseyJoe

He wants ‘Mob Rule’. All leftists do.


24 posted on 08/17/2019 2:11:35 PM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; All
"Someone needs to explain to this clown that there’s no such thing as “the popular vote” in a presidential election."

Thanks for pointing that out.

Before mentioning other possible constitutional problems with voting process for president, patriots need to consider this. In my opinion, presidential elections have been reduced to deciding which constitutionally undefined political party controls state powers that the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification feds have stolen from the states.

Next, not only is there no popular vote for POTUS in Constitution, but there is also no such thing as state “winner-take-all” laws for electoral votes imo. Such laws not only nullify the voting power of many voters despite Democratic “all votes count” mantra, but also violate 12th Amendment (12A) electoral vote counting procedures imo.

Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added]; […]"

Also, not only do winner-take-all laws violate 12A imo, but that amendment also indicates only write-in candidates, nothing about state ballots providing check boxes for nominees of constitutionally undefined political parties.

In fact, how do the states manage to agree to make ballots showing names of nominees of rogue Democratic and Republican political parties without violating constitutional prohibition on agreements between states without consent of Congress?

"Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State [emphasis added], or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

And even if corrupt Congress approves political parties on ballot after the fact, it remains that-winner-take all laws violate 12A imo.

Remember in November 2020!

MAGA! Now KAG! (Keep America Great!)

25 posted on 08/17/2019 2:15:19 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A die hard democrat went to a hard core Trump event. And they talked past each other.

I DARE a republican to go to a Warren Rally and try to have a conversation with some hard core Dems. My guess it would go back and forth two or three times before there was name calling and screaming.


26 posted on 08/17/2019 2:20:02 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: catnipman
".... deluded people are ineffective in the real world....

That is the impression I got from this guy. Full of himself, floating in the shallow end of liberal ignorance but couldn't function if thrown in the deep end of the real world.

I never understood how people like him, living in their limited scope of the world in the small states of the northeast, think they had the rest of the country figured out.

They don't.

27 posted on 08/17/2019 2:35:03 PM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: catnipman
".... deluded people are ineffective in the real world....

That is the impression I got about this guy. Full of himself, floating in the shallow end of liberal ignorance but couldn't function if thrown in the deep end of the real world.

I never understood how people like him, living in their limited scope of the world in the small states of the northeast, think they have the rest of the country figured out.

They don't.

28 posted on 08/17/2019 2:36:43 PM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: HotHunt

Oops!


29 posted on 08/17/2019 2:37:34 PM PDT by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” They were operating under a whole different other set of facts than what I was operating under, “

Lemme guess from where this useful idiot gets his ‘facts’.


30 posted on 08/17/2019 2:44:05 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: bigbob

Well stated
I use a sports anology.
Hillary went for time of possession.
President Trump understood runs scored, baskets made or goals scored determine the winner.

Nobody cares that the illegals and the dead voted for hillary


31 posted on 08/17/2019 2:44:11 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many precincts in blue states recorded over 100% voter turn out. That’s how you get a majority vote.


32 posted on 08/17/2019 2:45:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Been seeing these stories since June 2015...still the same garbage...they don’t understand and will never understand...move on.


33 posted on 08/17/2019 2:47:33 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“President Donald Trump threw himself another big rally Thursday night”

No, people came to see him. A lot of people.

Let Biden throw himself a big rally and see how that goes.


34 posted on 08/17/2019 2:56:11 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: JohnnyP

They know better to attempt a big rally with one of these losers. It’s no mistake that only 30 people showed up for Biden’s counter rally in New Hampshire.


35 posted on 08/17/2019 3:00:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: dp0622
I can’t believe how far back this country has been tabulating a meaningless number.

I thought it was a fairly recent (50 or so years) event.

Leftist totalitarians are all about collecting data and keeping records.

The socialist Nazis are famous for their record keeping.

The Stasi in East Germany kept meticulous records of the East German people that they watched. Everything from the time they left their apartment each day to what they had for breakfast.

Leftist love their data. It may be completely useless but it is data.

36 posted on 08/17/2019 3:45:52 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: JBW1949; LeoTDB69
“They were operating under a whole different other set of facts than what I was operating under,” he added.”
Wonder if anyone has ever explained to him that there is only ONE set of “facts”...Anything else is opinion or fallacy…
This is precisely what SCOTUS, IMHO, must teach. The Warren Court, de facto, taught the opposite in its 1964 New York Times v. Sullivan decision. That decision denigrated the right of an office holder - including judges - to sue for libel.

In 1964 the journalism cartel had such a grip on the popular understanding that its “journalists are objective” propaganda was almost entirely unchallenged. The reality, which was entirely different, was that journalism was just as slanted in what it didn’t say then as it is now. Note well, journalism was just as much a cartel then as now. The wire services solidified that fact; the mere name “Associated” Press should tell anyone all they need to know.

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. - Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
. . . and the wire services are continual, unending, virtual meetings of all major journalism outlets.

Not only is journalism a cartel, “liberal” politicians align themselves perfectly with the natural ideology of journalism - which is paternalism towards the public. Society, so the journalists assume, can’t do anything right and the government can and must straighten society out. This is precisely the opposite of the principle of liberty on which the nation was founded. “Liberals” express journalism’s inherent perspective - and consequently “liberals” never need to sue for libel. “Conservatives,” OTOH . . .

The Sullivan decision was nominally not biased towards Democrats; plaintiff Sullivan was, after all, a Democrat. But he was a Southern Democrat.

Republicans must sue for libel in the teeth of Sullivan, and give SCOTUS the chance to rehabilitate libel suits by politicians. That is germane to this discussion because libel suits offer courts the opportunity to determine facts. That is after all their job, in the first instance - and without that discipline “liberals” - people who go along and get along with the journalism cartel - are entitled to their own facts.


37 posted on 08/17/2019 4:00:28 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: Bullish; bigbob; 2ndDivisionVet; Vermont Lt; JohnnyP; HotHunt; Pontiac

38 posted on 08/17/2019 4:26:30 PM PDT by 4Liberty (The taxpayers can always take one more for the team. - The Government)
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To: catnipman

They can grab power on a mountain of lies, but there will not be peace.


39 posted on 08/17/2019 4:37:32 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you want to be accepted as a progressive its simple, write a check for everything you have, sell your home and move into a trailer and give it all to bernie. and give your paycheck to bernie every week- after you buy your weekly allotment of soy products.

if you want to join the right, get a job, take care of yourself, take care of your own family, don't be a baby daddy or momma and stay off the government teat.

and no, you don't have a right to a living wage or a living stipend. You have the right to take care of your own. and not everyone is cut out to be CEO. You wanna be CEO, work your ass off and start your own company and avoid hiring those who "just show up" to work- like leftists

40 posted on 08/17/2019 4:38:07 PM PDT by Ikeon (I used to be nice, didn't like being walked all over by 10% of the population.)
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