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A Guide To The Three Possible Outcomes In Indiana’s GOP Primary
FiveThirtyEight ^ | May 3, 2016 | Harry Enten

Posted on 05/03/2016 1:48:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Donald Trump may be a runaway train. He has blasted through his 50 percent “ceiling,” outperforming his polls and winning a clear majority in the last six states to cast ballots. All that success occurred in the Northeast, however, so here’s the question: Is Trump wrapping up this nomination, or is he just really strong in the Northeast?

We’ll get some answers in Indiana on Tuesday. It’s a culturally conservative state where many political observers (including yours truly) thought Ted Cruz had a good shot at coalescing the anti-Trump vote. Indiana is also, in terms of demographics, slightly below average for Trump. In other words, the #StopTrump movement, if it’s at all serious, should win the Hoosier State. And yet, Trump leads in most of the polling there.

So how should we interpret the final results in Indiana? Let’s walk through the three possible scenarios.

A clear Trump win

Our latest polls-only forecast has Trump winning Indiana 46 percent to Cruz’s 36 percent. And one of the most recent surveys, taken by Marist College, found Trump leading 49 percent to 34 percent. If the results in Indiana look anything like that, and Trump wins close to a majority, the Republican primary is probably over. In all honesty, any Trump victory probably means he’s going to be the nominee. Sure, Trump cannot possibly clinch the GOP nomination by winning the 57 delegates at stake in Indiana, but primary math is sometimes more than just delegates. It’s about demographics.

A Trump win would indicate that his bulldozing of the competition in the Northeast was not simply due to favorable geography. Not only is Trump doing better than our original projections had him in the Northeast, he’s even exceeding them in a more demographically neutral state like Indiana. Looking forward, California, too, would be a demographically fair fight for Cruz, and recent polling has shown a Trump surge in the Golden State. If Trump wins Indiana, there aren’t a ton of reasons to think he’d lose California. And Trump would be all but guaranteed to reach 1,237 delegates if he wins California by anywhere close to the over 20 percentage point lead he now has in the state.

The other big Indiana problem for Cruz is that he’s losing even as John Kasich’s share of the vote is declining. Our latest Indiana average has Kasich down to just 14.0 percent of the vote, which is lower than where he was polling on the eve of Cruz’s victory in the Wisconsin primary. One of the big keys to stopping Trump was for the anti-Trump vote to coalesce. The campaigns tried to help that process along by announcing a Cruz-Kasich alliance, in which Kasich stopped campaigning in Indiana, basically ceding the state to Cruz. But that doesn’t seem to be working. If Trump wins Indiana with Kasich pulling little of the vote, it’ll be a sign that the anti-Trump coordination isn’t going to cut it.

But even if Kasich’s share of the vote doesn’t erode much more, and Trump wins Indiana because of a split in the anti-Trump vote, I’m not sure the implications are any better for #StopTrump. That would suggest only that voters didn’t play the tactical game that Kasich and Cruz wanted them to; either they didn’t know what to do or weren’t willing to cooperate. Neither is good news for the anti-Trump bloc.

A clear Cruz win

You could also title this section “what I thought was going to happen in Indiana.” A Cruz win is what the demographics originally suggested would happen in the Hoosier State. If you look at my colleague Nate Silver’s delegate projections last month, he had Trump losing the majority of Indiana’s delegates on his way to finishing short of 1,237 nationwide. That’s why Indiana has been the focal point of the Cruz campaign. And our polls-plus model still gives Cruz a 17 percent chance of winning Indiana, so it’s not like he’s a super long shot.

If Cruz were to win the state by, say, 5 percentage points or more, it would suggest that whatever was going on in the Northeast primaries may not be transferable to other regions. Perhaps, Trump romped in the Northeast because turnout was so low, and if Republican turnout is strong in future contests (as it was through most of the early primary campaign), Trump can be stopped. A Cruz win would also show that when anti-Trump groups concentrate their efforts, they can stop Trump. Very little money was spent against The Donald in the Northeast; a lot of anti-Trump money has been spent in Indiana.

Perhaps most important for those hoping to stop Trump, a Cruz win in Indiana would be the first sign that the pro-Trump trend of late can be halted. Trump is sitting at an all-time high in FiveThirtyEight’s national polling average. Cruz’s own popularity, meanwhile, has taken a major hit nationally; he registered his first net negative favorability ratings among Republicans in Gallup’s surveys. At the same time, there has been reporting over the past week that Republican leaders and delegates are resigning themselves to a Trump nomination. The polls and the stories paint a picture of a party wanting to move on from the primary, anxious to take on Hillary Clinton.

A victory by Cruz in Indiana would, at the very least, forestall the crowning of Trump. We would have to wonder if recent polls, both nationally and in California, are overstating Trump’s strength. Party elites might also interpret the results as evidence that voters haven’t tired of the primary fight just yet. Finally, Trump’s path to 1,237 is still tenuous enough that a setback in Indiana would put the whole enterprise in jeopardy. Talk of a contested convention, which has subsided a bit, would flare back up.

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An ambiguous result

If the results in Indiana are close, predicting the effects on the race are more difficult. A close Trump win, for example, would have fairly clear implications from a delegate standpoint: Trump would probably get to 1,237, if for no other reason than winning Indiana gives Trump at least 30 delegates.1 A Trump win, even a modest one, would also feed the media’s appetite for Trump “momentum” stories. Still, a narrow Trump edge would also suggest that there is a large segment of the Republican Party that Trump hasn’t won over yet, and that Cruz’s hard campaigning helped close what some internal polls indicated was a large deficit.

A close Cruz win, on the other hand, would probably elicit the exact opposite press reaction. Cruz might be dubbed the comeback kid, and he would survive until California by having denied Trump at least 33 delegates2 in Indiana. Yet, Cruz winning only narrowly — especially if Trump clears 40 percent — would be an underperformance relative to where we thought Indiana would land a few weeks ago. It would indicate that the upward trend in Trump’s support, while felt most in the Northeast, is also evident in other regions of the country.


TOPICS: Indiana; Campaign News; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2dv; 2nddivisionvet; 2ndshift; afternoonshift; cruz; indiana; lol; tedcruz; trump
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To: Resolute Conservative

I am worried about Trump’s VP pick as well. There are few people in the GOP he could pick that would not anger me.

I really can’t stand any of them. So far I’d be happy with West or Herman Cain, and another person mentioned Sheriff Clarke, who is also a good man, but it should be noted that he is a Democrat. But I don’t really care for anyone currently in the elected GOP.

I also think Trump will have a tough time as president.

I would not be surprised at all to see a “bipartisan” movement to impeach him just as fast as they possibly can.

They do not want Trump in their swimming pool at all.


41 posted on 05/03/2016 2:39:46 PM PDT by chris37 (We don't want you.)
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To: JBW1949

I care more than this country than you know. I have roots back to 1709. My family has served her when she needed us and always have worked hard. It pains me to see her become a reality tv show now after 24 years of what we have tolerated.


42 posted on 05/03/2016 2:41:19 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

yea, because there is the ultimate , perfect elected official, wake up and Clinton thanks you.


43 posted on 05/03/2016 2:41:24 PM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: chris37

If he picks any of the 16 losers that ran this time or a past loser I might bail. If he wants to “start fresh and outside” then damn well do it.


44 posted on 05/03/2016 2:43:20 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Lurkinanloomin; mkjessup; nopardons; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; JBW1949; musicman; ...
[ come to terms ]

I predict Cheetos sales will go through the roof!!!


45 posted on 05/03/2016 2:45:02 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: manc

The tired line has absolutely no effect on me after the last 8 years. If Trump is that great and can part the sea he does not need me, isn’t that what you believe.


46 posted on 05/03/2016 2:45:41 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: JAKraig
This may be unpopular but I'll say it anyway: the super rich in this country have nothing to do with their money but invest it, then they collect interest without working and without paying taxes at the same rate that you and I pay. That needs to change.

You were doing great until you got to this.

The "super rich" invest their money in things that put you (and/or others) to work. Without their money, there would be no venture capitalists, and no startups that are likely to fail. But, they keep investing in them, hoping that one of them pays off.

Even if they were to deposit that money in a bank and earn interest, they are loaning that money to banks who then loan it to start/expand a small business, or to people that borrow money for cars or houses. Or, they buy goverment bonds and loan the money to the US government (so they don't have to borrow it from China).

Interest is taxed at their highest marginal rate. Qualified dividends are taxed at a preferred rate, but that's after the corporation has already paid corporate income taxes on the profit that generated the dividends.

Long-term capital gains taxes offer some advantage, for assets held less than about 5 years. But after that, you'll pay as much (or more!) tax on the paper gain due to inflation than you saved on taxes.

Very few people know how much the "rich" actually pay in income taxes. Setting aside corporate taxes, the IRS provides that information, back to 2001:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/13in01etr.xls

It's an Excel workbook, but it's safe to open it. Whatever you think of the IRS, they won't (yet) install a macro virus on your computer.

A hint: the average tax rate (income taxes divided by Adjusted Gross Income) paid by the "rich" is almost certainly higher than yours.

47 posted on 05/03/2016 2:47:58 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: SaveFerris

I’ve heard of people drinking Sterno.
I’m more into Bourbon!
It lights my fire. ;^}


48 posted on 05/03/2016 2:47:59 PM PDT by GOYAKLA ( Pick-up the pace, I'm eighty!)
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To: Resolute Conservative; onyx; DoughtyOne; musicman; mkjessup; nopardons; JBW1949; ...

” He will then find out what frustration is when he cannot control those he thought was his “friends” up to now.”

Trump has been trashed by every network including Fox, and almost every newspaper. Understand this: People don’t believe the MSM, and they don’t give a $hit what they throw at Trump.
They hate career politicians with an undaunted passion. Nothing worked. It won’t work in November EITHER.


49 posted on 05/03/2016 2:50:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: SaveFerris

LOL!!


50 posted on 05/03/2016 2:51:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Resolute Conservative

“but but but we thought he was conservative.”


Is this what is called a straw man argument?

I for one never believed Trump was a conservative. I do not care.

In fact, I am no longer a conservative.

It seems I am not as pure as some would like and my CONSERVATIVE card has been revoked.

Trump has done one thing already that makes him okay in my book. He has exposed the links between the Democrat and Republican party, as well as smoked out so many so called conservatives.

Trump may not meet your definition of a conservative but there is no way he is a far left as Hillary or Sanders.

I do not expect him to reverse all the bad policies that have been put in place, my hope is that he will be able to put on the brakes on this run away train before we go over the cliff.

So you do not need to wait two years, start braying now, it makes no difference.


51 posted on 05/03/2016 2:59:18 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (The government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Jim Robinson himself has posted ample evidence that Trump is a conservative in many important ways. As if Trump's policy positions didn't already show that.

So, your "Trump is no conservative" bullshit stands exposed as a LIE. Trump's positions on things like immigration and trade can be reviewed going back 30 years or so. Much of the evidence can be taken from Trump's own books.

And that evidence shows that Trump has many conservative values, has discussed them, and they are now part of his policy positions.

So at this point, it requires willful disregard of Trump's own words,going back decades, to try to foment the Hillary/Ted Cruz LIE that Trump is no conservative.

If Trump is no conservative, how come his policies overlap so much with Ted Cruz's?

Your tired on Trump-hating canards have been rebutted, refuted, and repudiated at this point.

You're entitled to keep your Cruz fanboy head in the sand, but don't expect to convince anyone you're correct, because you're dead wrong.

Vote Trump

52 posted on 05/03/2016 3:02:24 PM PDT by sargon (Vote Trump!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Exactly.....


53 posted on 05/03/2016 3:06:18 PM PDT by JBW1949
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To: SaveFerris

This is one really sick individual.....


54 posted on 05/03/2016 3:07:27 PM PDT by JBW1949
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To: JBW1949

If might be funny were it not so pathetic and sad. It’s bizarre and childish.


55 posted on 05/03/2016 3:11:20 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris

I know...I can’t think of any reason an adult would do something so utterly ridiculous.....


56 posted on 05/03/2016 3:13:15 PM PDT by JBW1949
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To: sargon; Resolute Conservative; JBW1949; onyx; DoughtyOne; musicman; mkjessup; nopardons

The past few weeks, the only person out-lying Ted Cruz is Hillary, and it appears it will be a photo finish!


57 posted on 05/03/2016 3:14:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Wait, is she an answer to Mormon prophecy too?


58 posted on 05/03/2016 3:21:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I’m not saying he won’t be the nominee. But it doesn’t magically make me a liberal. They gave us McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012, and now Trump in 2016. Who can they dig up for 2020? Lenin?


59 posted on 05/03/2016 3:23:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: stephenjohnbanker

yeah...it’s really close......


60 posted on 05/03/2016 3:24:52 PM PDT by JBW1949
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