Posted on 04/13/2016 6:01:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The leading pro-life group in Oregon today issued its endorsement for pro-life Republican candidate Ted Cruz for President. Oregon Right to Life says Cruz has a sterling pro-life record that it described as “impeccable.”
“ORTL PAC is pleased to endorse Senator Cruz,” said Gayle Atteberry, executive director of ORTL. “His record on pro-life issues is impeccable. We can trust that as president, he will do all he can to protect unborn babies. That includes the all-important decisions he would make in nominating new Supreme Court justices.
“Both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders,” said Atteberry, “support abortion on demand, from conception to birth, as well as continued taxpayer funding of abortion and Planned Parenthood.”
Atteberry told LifeNews that the stakes in Oregon’s primary election are higher than usual as every delegate counts in the battle for the Republican nomination. She said “Oregon Right to Life PAC encourages pro-life voters across Oregon to vote early for Ted Cruz to ensure that Oregon plays its part in electing a pro-life president.”
In fact, Cruz has a 100% pro-life voting record during his tenure in the Senate.
When it comes to the issue of abortion, Cruz has compiled a 100% pro-life voting record during his tenure in the Senate. On 16 total votes on pro-life issues taken while has has served in the Senate, Cruz voted pro-life every single time.
The votes tallied by the national Right to Life Committee include multiple votes supporting a bill to de-fund the Planned Parenthood abortion business over the years, votes to repeal or de-fund Obamacare, which uses taxpayer funds to pay for abortions as well as votes to protect the conscience rights of pro-life Americans.
The tally of 8 votes below does not include two additional votes in August and September to end debate and stop the Democrats’ filibuster of measure that would de-fund Planned Parenthood. The August and September votes Cruz cast to defund Planned Parenthood brings the total tally to 10 pro-life votes cast during his Senate tenure.
In a recent interview, Cruz expound on his pro-life views and said that pro-abortion Democrats use the issue of contraception to try to attack pro-life Republicans and make them look like extremists.
Cruz gave an interview last week to the Catholic news network EWTN and he asked Cruz about some comments he made supporting contraception. The Texas senator said he was pushing back against a Democratic “political attack that was deliberately deceptive.”
“I am unequivically pro-life, I believe that every life is a precious gift from God that needs to be protected from the moment of conception until the moment of natural death,” he said. “But the Democrats didn’t raise that battle on the issue of life; instead they did it on contraceptives, and it was deliberately deceptive, they were trying to scare young women into thinking some politician is going to come take their birth control away from them.”
“And the point I was making through humor – and humor is often a very effective way to communicate – is that nobody was talking about banning birth control for anyone,” he said.
Cruz also defended the Little Sisters of the Poor, who are headed to eh Supreme Court to defend their right not to be forced by the Obama administration ot pay for abortion-causing drugs under the HHS mandate found in Obamacare.
Received this via email from Life News:
‘Planned Parenthood Bashes Ted Cruz: “He is the Biggest Threat We Face”’
Do you realize that oftentimes the man who is the father of the child plops down the $$ for the killing right there on the counter of the PP office?
So that makes him an accessory to the crime as well. And if you’ve ever protested outside of a PP office, you’ve noticed he frequently drives the getaway car as well.
So in your mind, does he get punished too should abortion ever become illegal?
Well duh, if illegal, as you said, he's an accessory to the crime.
Instead of playing games, how about we just apply the same standards we do with robbers, thieves, prostitutes, murders, and any other crime, to the hypothetical crime of abortion? You know, treat every crime and who gets punished for it by the same standards, no matter what. Do you see any "Pro-Lifers" who think like you demanding that when cops catch a prostitute in the performance of her work, that only the man should be arrested? That's the "pro-life" position on abortion.
Notice you did not answer my questions. There is no logical support for this retarded position that only the doctor should be punished, and that women are a bunch of retards who can't be held responsible for breaking laws.
Maybe this will help you to understand why pro-life thinks the way that they do! This is only a trailer; the entire movie is heartbreaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLf7qfRVy3k
This is a completely dishonest and ugly response. We are not debating the wrongness of abortion. We are debating the fraud put out by SOME Pro-Lifers, claiming to represent everyone, who put out this completely stupid claim-- as evidenced by your inability to defend it properly-- that only the doctors should face any consequences for abortion. This is a new invention created by con-artists in positions of power, who exist only to empower Republican candidates. It is not a position held by the pro-life movement at large.
Just as soon as you find me any polling data showing that pro-lifers at large think women should not be legally liable for abortions because they "don't understand what they're doing!" FYI, even the Catholics (CCC 2270-72), Eastern Orthodox, and many Protestant denominations, excommunicate women for the sin of abortion.
A woman is only excommunicated if she does not repent and ask forgiveness for the abortion. A woman’s “punishment” comes with the loss of her child, and she lives with that for the rest of her life.
And there are so many pro-life groups that reiterate the woman is considered a victim in abortion. You do realize that Planned Parenthood, for instance, does not tell the mother-to-be the side effects of an abortion. Nor is she provided an ultrasound with the image of her baby prior to the procedure. Imagine going in for a valve job on your heart and no one tells you what might come of it. Everyone should be told of the potential for a broken heart.
And I’m not familiar with polls being taken on this subject matter. But here is just one pro-life group out of hundreds with their explanation:
http://marchforlife.org/no-pro-life-american/
Assuming you're referring to the Catholic position, this is false. Women are automatically excommunicated the moment they commit or cooperate with the abortion. Popes have ruled that they can only gain forgiveness through their Bishops after penance and confession. Catholic concept of penance is not simply feeling sad, but actively taking steps to "right the wrong."
Whatever the case, the entire logic disproves the "All pro-lifers think women are blameless because women never understand what they are doing when they commit an abortion." If they're guilty of a sin, then they, by definition, are not blameless, and clearly the act of the abortion is not enough to absolve their punishment. The EO and other denominations follow the same logic, with pro-lifers, like Tony Miano, concluding appropriately about the fault of the mother:
http://crossencountersmin.com/featured-article/abortion-yes-murderers-should-be-punished/
Tony Miano is protestant, but quite clearly calls it a sin and states women should be liable for punishment.
Similarly, this Catholic, Trent Horn, from Catholic-answers, also argues for the punishment of women for abortion:
http://www.catholic.com/blog/trent-horn/should-a-woman-be-punished-for-having-an-abortion#_edn1
Although he recommends punishments as light as 1 or 2 years, and that punishment, like for any other crime, should be a case for case basis. He also reframes the argument from, "Should women be punished for having an abortion?" to "Should men and women be punished for killing their children?"
So, do Pro-lifers at large support this idiotic logic put forward by these people purporting to represent pro-lifers? No, not really. I've also seen the same reaction among pro-life groups across the internet, all favoring the punishment of women for breaking the law if abortion is made illegal.
There are no polls demonstrating this, but more than likely, more than half of pro-lifers side with this view, and the only people who don't are the Cruz supporters who have only discovered this issue over the past couple of weeks.
A woman’s “punishment” comes with the loss of her child
This is like saying, a woman who drowns her children in her bathtub is punished by watching them die.
You do realize that Planned Parenthood, for instance, does not tell the mother-to-be the side effects of an abortion. Nor is she provided an ultrasound with the image of her baby prior to the procedure.
This is entirely irrelevant since if a woman knows it is against the law to have an abortion, whether she appreciates that her unborn child is a child, she clearly knows she is breaking the law and, thus, should be punished. Furthermore, even ignorance of the law is no basis for being spared punishment from the law.
In my original commentary, I was speaking of the Sacrament of Confession for the sin of abortion. And Pope Francis, I believe, has now made it possible for any priest to forgive this grievous sin.
One thing regarding the links you sent [thank you!] right off the bat I didn’t like about Tony Miano is that he said, “To women who have aborted their children: yes, you are a murderer.”
To that, I say, gee, Tony, you look to be a bit out-of-shape. Maybe stop eating so much [through the sin of gluttony] and your heart will keep thumping and not let you down.
Tony does come back and he says women can be forgiven through Jesus, but that’s the message he might stay on from the beginning, to help women who are post-abortive and aching. They are the ones who can speak out the best to tell women, “Don’t do it. Don’t allow your children to be killed. You will regret it for the rest of your life.” (You will see these testimonies on the Silent No More website.)
Also, women do not [technically] murder their own children through abortion to begin with. They sign on the dotted line for someone else to do it, but they are not “retarded” for doing so, like I believe you called them, but they are oftentimes under the strain of coercion as I’ve previously mentioned, and not at all thinking things through. They are not given any light as to what they are actually doing, either, hence they become victims. The movie, “Blood Money,” explains how the abortion industry uses anxious women for their own financial gain.
Your second link made some good points, but bottom line, we need education for the women [and their men if they are still in the picture]. Jumping from 43+ years of legal abortion to putting women in prison [or whatever] for doing the same thing [now] hypothetically illegal, would have to be dealt with IF ever abortion is outlawed. (My guess is it would have to be a case-by-case basis.)
Many pro-life peoples pray everyday, though, that His Hand comes down on America and educates, encourages [or slaps] some sense into all of us.
By definition, abortion is murder. If you do not believe abortion is murder, what's the problem?
Many pro-life peoples pray everyday
Many pray down every day and understand that abortion is murder, and that if a woman breaks the law, she would be liable for breaking that law just like any other law on the books. The point of penalties should be on a case by case basis, but it's completely retarded to hold to a position that says women are retarded and can't be held liable for their actions.
Women who have abortions are not retarded. At least most of them are not. I’ve already explained myself on this already.
Don’t wish to keep repeating myself.
Keep praying for the end of abortion!
Your responses have all been disappointing, ignoring the majority of what I say, and totally transparent and artificial. I do not consider you an honest opponent. I think you are clinging to this position only for political reasons.
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