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Cruz, Fiorina Are Big Winners In First Post-Debate Poll
Mother Jones ^ | August 9, 2015 | Kevin Drum

Posted on 08/09/2015 6:22:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A new NBC poll has gotten a lot of attention today for suggesting that Donald Trump won the Republican debate on Thursday. And maybe he did! But I'd take the results with a grain of salt. Here's why:

◾As the chart on the right shows, Trump's support didn't increase. It stayed where it was. The big gainers were Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, and Ben Carson.

◾It was an overnight poll. So it might reflect what viewers thought of the debate itself, but it doesn't take account of the weekend fallout over Trump's post-debate treatment of Megyn Kelly. Nor does it take into account the media treatment of Trump over the past few days. This may or may not make a difference, but I'd wait a few days to see how things play out. ◾It's an internet poll, not a telephone poll. The methodology is fairly sound, but it's nonetheless another reason to treat the results with caution.

I'm not foolish enough to predict what's going to happen to Trump's poll numbers over the next week. I feel safe saying that Trump will implode eventually, and that he'll implode over something like this weekend's lunacy. But whether it will happen over this weekend's version of this weekend's lunacy—well, who knows? The base of the Republican Party is pretty inscrutable to a mushy mainstream liberal like me. I'm really not sure what will and won't set them off these days.

As for the rest of the results, I'm stumped over Ted Cruz's gain. He didn't seem to especially stand out on Thursday. Conversely, Fiorina is easy to understand, and Carson's bump might just be due to increased name recognition. Bush and Walker dropped a little more than I would have guessed, but 3 percent still isn't much. We'll see if all these results hold up over the next week.


TOPICS: Texas; Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2016debates; 2016election; 2016polls; carolshilby; cruz; debates; election2016; fiorina; tedcruz; texas; trump
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"I'm stumped over Ted Cruz's gain."

Hahaha. I'll bet you are.

1 posted on 08/09/2015 6:22:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

I stand with Ted

NOW is the time for all good conservatives to come to the aid of THE candidate


2 posted on 08/09/2015 6:31:52 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(chuckle)


3 posted on 08/09/2015 6:34:37 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can you disagree with biology? Normal women respond to stress poorly and are prone to depression, particularly when progesterone drops. They also have higher concentrations of cortisol. That is a normal woman. Hillary is on drugs for a bad thyroid so her hormones are particularly phucked up as is a one that has been on prednisone or birth control. I am sick of lefties getting away with being offensive and overwhelming message boards and social media with their drivel and we have to keep our mouths shut and not tell the truth. Phuck that.

I was actually surprised it was Hillary thyroid. I would have guessed she had a tumor on her adrenal gland. She looks like she has Cushing’s.


4 posted on 08/09/2015 6:38:36 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Nifster

Agreed.

Huckeberry, Carson, Jindal, Santorum need to get out and get behind Cruz as the one who can actually win.


5 posted on 08/09/2015 6:41:24 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ted went to second place with 13% !! Awesome move .


6 posted on 08/09/2015 6:50:21 PM PDT by WENDLE (Make America Great Again!!)
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"I'm stumped over Ted Cruz's gain."

My tired eyes decoded that as "I've stamped over Ted Cruz's groin."

7 posted on 08/09/2015 6:50:27 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Carly. Good grief.


8 posted on 08/09/2015 6:51:17 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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“Trump’s support didn’t increase. It stayed where it was.”

Kevin you ignorant slut.

The chart shows Trump with a 1% increase. Rubio stayed right where he was.


9 posted on 08/09/2015 6:51:55 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Life is good.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My takeaway from this poll is Bush is... going down.


10 posted on 08/09/2015 7:04:41 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A Mother Jones leftwing communist reporter/propagandist - of course, his comments are insanely stupid.


11 posted on 08/09/2015 7:07:18 PM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: icwhatudo

Indeed


12 posted on 08/09/2015 7:08:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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13 posted on 08/09/2015 7:16:31 PM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline for lease)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fiorina won a debate she wasn’t in. smh.


14 posted on 08/09/2015 7:26:29 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: DonaldC

15 posted on 08/09/2015 7:27:14 PM PDT by Bobalu (If we live to see 2017 we will be kissing the ground)
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Unfortunately, Trump may be right about his.

I get a headache when I listen to Carly’s droning voice going on about her support for Amnesty, Cap and Trade, and the War on Women.

Sheesh!


16 posted on 08/09/2015 7:30:04 PM PDT by o2bfree (It would save $Trillions if the GOP Establishment would just drop dead. :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2nd thxs for the post. I’m so happy to see other Americans giving Ted Cruz a look. I like (what liberal commentators refer to as ) Ted Cruz’s radical agenda. Ted doesn’t have the mouth or brashness of Trump, but people are finally seeing Ted for who he is. I believe Trump will falter eventually, it’s a long fall and winter and Trump, along with Palin will endorse Cruz and he’ll wrap it up after the SEC election in the south. Following that, they’ll each kiss his ring and Ted will Cruz to victory in Nov/16


17 posted on 08/09/2015 7:32:29 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Bobalu

thanks for the laugh, that was funny


18 posted on 08/09/2015 7:34:18 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suspect that Fiorina’s bump due to her being the Fox declared winner of the early debate and her follow up ‘standing with Megyn’ will quickly reverse itself once folks figure out that she is just an opportunistic sadsack who was trying to jump on that bandwagon thinking it will get her some brownie points but found a shark instead.....and in the end, she will just look stupid just like the others who have attempted baseless opportunism i.e. Rick Perry, Lindsey Graham, John McCain....


19 posted on 08/09/2015 8:26:21 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (In life it's important to know what you believeÂ….but more more importantly, why you believe it.)
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Fox you debate backfired

Your Candidates lost ground

20 posted on 08/09/2015 10:10:02 PM PDT by scooby321
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