Like her?
Posted on 08/28/2012 8:30:43 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
The buzz is that Ann Romney's speech was off the charts and that Chris Christie's speech was moderately good but didn't have the red meat people wanted. I tend to disagree. Christie's speech was fantastic but in a much more subtle way. He showed the stark differences. Thoughts?
“And you should look into why your church”
You should start sending messages to someone who cares about your rantings...
“Hey, Newbie, welcome to FR. Only been here 4 1/2 months. Still haven’t figured things out, have you? Or did you think you were posting at the DUmp, as you’re normally doing?”
Yeah, I figured out that not everyone here is a Mittbot who sips the GOPe koolaid unto death, but the ones who are Mittbots always tell me how I don’t fit in since I have not yet drank the poison.
Should take you about 10 minutes to go out on the internet and look up Mormon beliefs about marriage. You will see I am correct.
Yep. You would think that all these people who are defending mormonism actually know nothing about it.
All the information is there.
Don’t type on your phone!!!
Women reserve the right to be drama queens at times.
Men who exhibit the same quality may benefit from a hormone check.
Take a chill pill, dude.
You just can’t help making a fool of yourself. Calling someone a Mittbot without knowing their history of voting, or beliefs expressed on this site over the course of the last 7 years, is proof of that. Now go run along to the DUmpster, that’s where you fit in...
Let’s use your rhetoric. Tell me, NKP_Vet, do you support believes it’s OK to murder a child because the mother’s life is threatened by the pregnancy? Yes or no.
Mitt first gained permission of the Prophet, before he committed to his goal of becoming the republican presidential nominee.
He sought permission of his cult leader before doing anything.
I said nothing about Rick Perry. I specifically mentioned that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (which declares the "official" statement of all Catholic leadership in the United States) endorsed instate tuition for illegal aliens, since were you were attacking Christie for "stances go against the Catholic Church". Do you agree with USCCB's position on in-state tuition for illegal aliens, yes or no? Do your support your church leaders on that, or "couldn't care less" what they have to say about that issue?
In one post, you claimed merely having one or two "stances that go against the Catholic make someone "another cafeteria Catholic, in the same vein as Joe Biden". In this post, you claim "Catholics can have different opinions on some issues". Make up your mind, please.
>> "but abortion and homosexual marriage are not one of them. This is where I defer with Christie" <<
Christie not only says homosexual marriage is an abomination, but actually VETOED the legislature's bill to try and legalize gay marriage in NJ. He is openly and proudly pro-life, saying life begins at conception, attending pro-life rallies, and cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood in NJ (of course, he can't wave a magic wand and immediaely end all abortions in NJ, so I suppose that makes him a traitor). Which of those stances and parts of his record do you disagree with and which of them "defy Catholic teachings"?
What you are saying is that a person who agrees with you 99% of the time on those issues is the enemy and "the same as Joe Biden" (who agrees with you 0% of the time on abortion and gay marriage), if they don't govern EXACTLY as you would. Calling someone "pro-choice" who would ban 99% of abortions is about as un-Catholic and un-Christ like as you can get. By your OWN logic, you are "pro-choice" if would give a woman a CHOICE to have an abortion if her life was in danger. Your behavior is nothing like the religion you claim to profess. Jesus knew everyone was a sinner and would never excommunicate people or turn them away merely they did ONE thing he disapproved of. Peter would have never been Pope if you were in charge, since you'd proclaim he was a "non-apostle, anti-Jesus person" after he denied Jesus ONCE -- let alone three times. Nevermind the countless other times he stood by Jesus, you wouldn't "count" those times, just as you don't count the many, many times Christie has stood up for traditional marriage and the sancity of life.
Shame on you for trashing the most conservative Governor New Jersey has had in 80 years. You ought to proud New Jersey FINALLY has a governor who fights gay marriage and works to fight abortion, instead of trashing him because he's not 100% perfect.
I think you fit it on Ann Coulter’s forum. You’d be right at home with the GOProud folks.
Good posts by you and Jim of C Town.
However as you see the thread was about Ann Romney’s speech, until the Mormon haters hijacked it.
The woman gave a speech in which she referred to her breast cancer, etc, and said she had a real marriage not a story book one.
So they respond by saying “She defines a real marriage as one performed in a Mormon temple”. Then when you say that is rude or bigoted they act like kooks and say “Im just reciting facts”.
Their favorite tactic is to lecture you on what your religion (not theirs) says about Mormons. Funny they never identify their religion.
Now do you really think the Catholic Church wants you to attack Ann Romney’s religion when she talks about her marriage and breast cancer? That behavior is offensive to any decent Catholic.
These folks are not Catholics, they do not accept Catholic teaching, yet they presume to lecture you about your own religion and to goad you into bashing Mormons.
They are not nice people and they will be after Catholics and Jews next if they ever get rid of Mormons.
Now they will return to lecturing me about what “my Pope” said about Mormonism.
“I don’t know either way, I was watching reruns of Big Bang Theory.”
Interesting.
A Hollywood production in which the lead actor is homosexual , is of more importance than removing Obama .
There’s your sign.
Like her?
You are starting to repeat the same thing over and over.
Like I said Christie is for abortion in cases of rape and incest and “life of the mother”. This is directly against Catholic Church teaching and is a non-negotiable moral truth of the Church. So there, let me say it again. Christie is for abortion. All abortion is evil.
He has also said people are born homosexual and they can not change. This is also true and certainly not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Christie basically touts the Northern moderate GOP line on abortion and all other social issues. In that regard he’s like Romney.
The Roman Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy an embryo, blastocyst, zygote or fetus, since it holds that “human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
Homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
I defer with the USCCB on the majority of there liberal positions, but we totally agree on the two moral issues that are non-negotiable - ABORTION AND HOMOSEXUALITY!
I try my best to live my life according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
I liked both also. Heck, even Santorum brought tears when he was talking about his daughter.
And, you’re right about bringing some class back to the position of FLOTUS. None there right now.
Do you support believes it’s OK to murder a child because the mother’s life is threatened by the pregnancy? Yes or no.
Nothing wrong with using your OWN wording and holding you to the same standard you hold others for deeming them to be "Pro-Choice" and saying they believe its "OK to murder children" if there's even one time where abortion should be allowed.
>> Christie basically touts the Northern moderate GOP line on abortion and all other social issues. In that regard he’s like Romney. <<
If you think Christie (who opposes 99% of abortions, but is not 100% pure perfect enough for you) is in the same mold as people like Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter, who SUPPORT 99% of abortions), there is no hope reasoning with you. I'm glad people like you weren't around in the 1860s, or you'd be attacking Abe Lincoln was "pro-slavery Abe" constantly because he's not out freeing 100% of the slaves immediately.
>> I defer with the USCCB on the majority of there liberal positions <<
So in short, you realize what the Catholic officials teach, but ignore it. The very thing you condemn Christie for. Hypocrisy, much?
>> but we totally agree on the two moral issues that are non-negotiable - ABORTION AND HOMOSEXUALITY! <<
Actually, they declare five issues to be non-negotiable: Abortion, Cloning, Stem-Cell Research, Euthensia, and Gay 'Marriage'. (not "Homosexuality" -- the Catholic Church has never taught that merely having same sex attraction means is person is committing a grave sin)
Christie agrees FULLY with the church's position on gay marriage being unacceptable in ALL circumstances, and agrees 99% with the church's position on abortion. Comparing him to people who agree 0% with the church's position on abortion is beyond the pale.
>> I try my best to live my life according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. <<
Obviously not, your posting here are very un-Christ like and comparing Christie on the same level no politicians who love abortion in all circumstances would be rebuked by every Catholic bishop I know. Newt Gingrich, for example, is pro-life but questioned during the presidential campaign whether life begins at conception or implantation. My Catholic pastor supported Gingrich in the primary though, I and while I think Newt's statement was flawed and not identical to Catholic theology, I wouldn't compare Newt's views on abortion to abortion loving zealots like Obama or Mark Kirk. Again, shame on you.
Billy Boy,
What is so hard for you to understand when I only point out the fact that Christie is for abortions in some cases, and the Catholic Church is not for any abortion. I believe in no abortion for any reason. None. Nadda.
Devout Catholics do not believe in abortion. So once again, anyone who says they are pro-life, but then say in the next breath “BUT I believe abortion is OK in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother”, are NOT PRO-LIFE. And I don’t care how many times they say they are. They are for selective abortions. Ask Rick Perry about it. He was one of the “exceptions” presidential contenders until he spoke to a lady that was born as a result of rape, a woman that was to be aborted. She is now living a full life and goes around the country trying to educate those like yourself who thinks it’s fine to kill a child if they were conceived out of rape. Since you are not going to change your views and certainly not your views on Christie, I suggest this conversation end. Have a great day and I will say an extra prayer for you at Mass that you come to understand that all life is precious and a gift from God, and abortion, any abortion, is always a grave evil.
So, in the rare that a woman faces a life-threatening pregnancy, and it is guranteed that a woman WILL DIE unless an abortion is performed, you would prefer to let the woman die.
If that is truly your position, you do need prayers during Mass, because your "holier than thou" pro-life views aren't in any way Catholic or "what the church believes". Unlike you, the Catholic church allows part of the fallopian tube (AND THE EMBRYO WITHIN IT) removed during a ectopic pregnancy, in order to save the mother's life. The death of her baby during this procedure is a tragic but unavoidable side affect.
And again, NO Catholic bishop on the planet would agree with your ridiculous assertion that Christie's views on abortion are comparable to Obama or Biden's.
This conversation is over. Have a nice day.
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