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Ron Paul, enemy of Iowa
The Politico ^ | December 16, 2011 | Ben Smith

Posted on 12/16/2011 10:21:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Iowa radio host and weathervane of the state's evangelical political opinion raises fears for Iowa's first-in-the-nation status should it select Ron Paul on caucus day.

"One thing is for certain," Deace writes. "if a candidate with Paul’s foreign policy views wins the Iowa Caucuses that will be the final nail in Iowa’s first in the nation status. Like it or not, the media and the Republican Party itself will simply discredit the results and start the process over in New Hampshire."

Chris Wallace made a similar point on Fox News before last night's debate: "The Ron Paul people are not going to like my saying this," he said. "But to a certain degree, it will discredit the Iowa caucuses because, rightly or wrongly, I think most of the Republican establishment thinks he’s not going to end up as the nominee. So therefore, Iowa won’t count."

Despite establishment sentiment, Paul continues to do well in the polls....

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Iowa; Campaign News; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: galvestonsnoopy; iowa; larouchies; newhampshire; polls; ronpaul
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To: hosepipe

At the risk of being redundant...he should run as a Libertarian. That is what Dr. Paul is.


21 posted on 12/17/2011 1:42:39 AM PST by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have no problems with Iowans or Iowa, which is why I would let them make up their own mind without the sort of crap that 'Iowa would cease to matter if they voted for __________ (fill in the blank).'

More Alinsky garbage, and there has been a wad of it from the Republicans this year. That sort of thing gets tedious...

22 posted on 12/17/2011 2:04:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: berdie

[ At the risk of being redundant...he should run as a Libertarian. That is what Dr. Paul is. ]

True he is at heart a libertarian.. BUT...
Many republicans are at heart democrats(for democracy).. as well..

Wonder if many democrats are at heart republicans?..
They are just words..


23 posted on 12/17/2011 2:14:40 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate for the Constitution..

Right and in the last debate he said that if we go to war with Iran it should be because congress voted on a declaration of war. Not because the president made the decision alone. Why do conservatives have a problem with that?

The world probably needs a policeman but we can no longer afford that role.

24 posted on 12/17/2011 4:39:55 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Anyone see the democrat budget yet?)
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To: berdie
"I would have far more respect for Dr. Paul if he ran as a Libertarian, as he has in the past."

In the first place, Libertarianism is at the heart of conservatism, and since many people don't see a lot of conservatism in the Republican party, I don't see how his alliance with Libertarians has anything to do with anything.

Secondly, even if you somehow think Libertarians have cooties, remember that the reason Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian is because he first sought the nomination from the Republicans, but they were too blind and ignorant to nominate him, so he accepted the nomination of the Libertarian party.

Furthermore, some very prominent politicians have changed parties, with no seeming ill effects. You may have heard of Ronald Reagan and Rick Perry, both of whom were DEMOCRATS before they were Republicans.

SO WHAT?

25 posted on 12/17/2011 6:24:43 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: berdie
"I would have far more respect for Dr. Paul if he ran as a Libertarian, as he has in the past."

In the first place, Libertarianism is at the heart of conservatism, and since many people don't see a lot of conservatism in the Republican party, I don't see how his alliance with Libertarians has anything to do with anything.

Secondly, even if you somehow think Libertarians have cooties, remember that the reason Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian is because he first sought the nomination from the Republicans, but they were too blind and ignorant to nominate him, so he accepted the nomination of the Libertarian party.

Furthermore, some very prominent politicians have changed parties, with no seeming ill effects. You may have heard of Ronald Reagan and Rick Perry, both of whom were DEMOCRATS before they were Republicans.

SO WHAT?

26 posted on 12/17/2011 6:24:54 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Smokin' Joe
No matter where you stand on Ron Paul, I would crap on someone on the radio telling me who I could or could not vote for "if I wanted my state to be taken seriously". Are Americans little whiny children that they can't make up their own mind without this sort of junior high level peer pressure? Sheesh.

Completely agree! The title of the article actually should be, "Can Iowa's voters be Intimidated?"

The DC establishment is running scared to keep up this overt --and insulting--pressure on Iowans. The GOP elite are the only ones wetting themselves over Ron Paul. Hell, I'd bet that Obama's people might be giving Romney & Gingrich $$$ at this point just to keep Paul out of the process just so they can keep their Stalinesque "choices" game in place.

Re the big picture of the race, it's only going to be days before MSM stories start handcuffing Gingrich directly & personally to Freddie Mac's fraudster Richard Syron, and start filling in the blanks. And THAT will blow Gingrich out of the water, leaving only Romney and Paul.

So if Iowans are actually successfully intimidated into voting for Gingrich & making him #1, then Iowa really WILL be discredited.

It's an MSM Catch 22 for Iowa either way, so they might as well vote their hearts & give the nanny politicos a three-finger salute.

27 posted on 12/17/2011 8:27:25 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: onyx
I have been posting this all along. If Iowa wants to remain serious, Iowa will not allow Ron Paul and his lunatics to win this.

Weren't you the same one crowing on here 4 years ago about how RUDY!!! was going to be the nominee? Forgive me if I don't take you seriously.

28 posted on 12/17/2011 11:17:22 AM PST by jmc813
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To: Designer

You are correct. Conservatism has strong influence from libertarianism (small l).

If the Libertarian Party (capital L) and the Republican Party shared identical platforms, there wouldn’t be any cause for two separate parties, would there?

I don’t think Libertarians have cooties at all. Everyone has the right to an opinion. As far as third parties go, they seem to have the largest constiuency.

Dr. Paul has clung to many L beliefs. I am of the opinion he runs with an R after his name is to garner more votes and attention. Most people can’t tell you who the L candidates are. There don’t seem to be any televised L debates.

JMHO


29 posted on 12/17/2011 2:34:57 PM PST by berdie
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To: jmc813

Nope, not me.


30 posted on 12/17/2011 4:14:34 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Newt and Romney are a turd cream cone with a little bit of chocolate in it. To think that we have all these other candidates and we’re here choosing between the two most terrible of them all.


31 posted on 12/18/2011 6:17:38 PM PST by Apollo5600
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