Giuliani Notes: Dollars for Rudy (Upcoming Fundraisers for Mayor Rudy Giuliani)

Some of their postings sound like Kerry or Clinton in the meaning of the word "is!" Some of the spin does sound like I voted for something before I voted against type posting!

So exactly what on this list qualifies him as a "hero"? It appears that anyone else would have done the same things, had they been in his position.

I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.
KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.
JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.
KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.
GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.
Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp

Hey there hater, more spam?

I agree with your analysis on who has the ability to pull this off. Rudy went right to the top of the list when I saw who was hosting the fundraiser in TX as being the one that will raise the money the fastest. Boone Pickens is now registered as a Republican for which I am grateful.

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The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Wow, so a vote for Rudy = a vote for Hillary?

How juvenille! I expect no less from a hater, though.

I'm not sure of you know yet, Rudy is NOT a social conservative :-)

I'll give you credit. At least you are not pretending otherwise.

It doesn't make your position any less foolish, but at least you are being honest about it.

Giuliani/Clinton/GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Gay Marriage	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Gay Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports	Supports	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports	Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports	Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Supports

Good lord, it's not enough for you to spam every thread, now you're doing it more than once per thread.

That's pathetic.

More info for the thread on Rudy:

George Will on ABC's This Week had high praise for Mayor Giuliani's record, stating, "Let me -- let me make the case for Giuliani. Just -- you can argue as indeed I have so argued that his eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly."

Philip Klein, American Spectator, writes about the Mayor's New Hampshire speech and great reaction from the audience:

I spent Saturday in Manchester, NH where Rudy Giuliani was the keynote speaker at the annual meeting of the Republican State Committee. I plan to write a longer piece on this for our main website on Monday, so I don't want to go into too much detail here. But the bottom line is that the speech was very well received, and after speaking extensively to NH Republican activists, it became clear to me that the primary is very much in play for Rudy, and social issues, while an obstacle, will not be a deal breaker for him here. The closest thing I found to a consensus view was that it's very early, voters want to get to know each of the candidates a lot better before making a decision, but the door is definitely open for Giuliani. It also became clearer that Rudy is unlikely to flip flop on social issues, emphasizing the things that Republicans agree on --fiscal discipline, cutting taxes, personal responsibility, national defense, staying on offense against terrorism. He acknowledged that conservative voters may not agree with him on every issue, but nobody agrees with any candidate 100 percent of the time. He also sounded very much like a candidate, saying, "when I promise you things, if I do, when I do, as I do, I'll promise them because I've done them before," and then boasting about his accomplishments as mayor.

http://www.spectator.org/blogger_jump.asp?BlogID=5334

How do you feel you are doing so far in preventing abortion?

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Onyx -- keep that pic handy -- we are going to need it a lot!

Much better than the baby-killer you are pimping for. How many babies got murdered while he was Mayor?

You are right about that! Spending money in CA while trying to protect other states -- this is going to be a fun campaign!

George Will on ABC's This Week had high praise for Mayor Giuliani's record, stating, "Let me -- let me make the case for Giuliani. Just -- you can argue as indeed I have so argued that his eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly."

So do you then also agree with George Will's current cut-and-run opinion regarding the Iraq War?

Thus far, Rudy is the most leftwing candidate running for the GOP nomination. His fiscal record as Mayor of NYCity spanned an eight year time period, with a beginning, middle and end phase. Lets look at the end phase.

TAXES: Giuliani did cut the marginal city income tax rates, reducing taxes by some $2.0-billion from 1996-2001, but those cuts only offset the $1.8-billion increase in city income tax rates put in place by Mayor Dinkins a few years earlier. In the end, taxes were actually cut by a modest $200-million. Freezing the 12.5% surcharge on high wage earners was good, but Giuliani didn't attempt to abolish that surcharge. Nor did Giuliani abolish the city income tax. The primary reason Rudy and the City Council agreed to cut taxes, was to make NYCity more appealing to new businesses thinking about locating/relocating to the Big Apple. A smart move, however, overall, Rudy left office with NYCity the highest taxed big city in America, with some of the highest income taxes, property taxes and ultility rates in the nation.

GOVT SPENDING: From 1997 to 2001, spending under Giuliani went up 32%. More then double the rate of inflation. Rudy left NYCity with a $2.0 billion deficit and a $42-billion debt. Second largest debt after the federal government. Giuliani also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls. Increasing the membership of two major liberal organizations, the National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).

From the Manhattan Institute For Policy Research:

"The scope of government was not reduced at all. The mayor abandoned his most visible initiative in this sphere—the proposed sale of the city hospital system—after a struggle with the unions and defeats in the courts. He did cut costs in social services; even before the new federal welfare reforms took effect in 1997, the city had begun to significantly reduce caseloads. But money saved on social services has only helped to subsidize big increases in other categories. Today the array of social services sponsored and partially funded by the city—from day care to virtually guaranteed housing—is as wide as ever."

"In the final analysis, Mayor Giuliani sought to make the city deliver services more efficiently—not to make the city deliver fewer services. Gains in efficiency were offset, however, by a spike in the costs of outsourced contracts (see point 2 below). Thus, in two areas where inroads might have been made, the city instead failed to reduce spending."

"1. Personnel Increases. In 1995–96, the city entered into a series of collective bargaining agreements with its public-employee unions. In addition to granting pay increases that ended up roughly equaling inflation, the city promised not to lay off any workers for the life of the contracts. These agreements were expected to add $2.2 billion to the budget by fiscal 2001. But that estimate didn’t reckon with renewed growth in the number of city employees. After dipping in Giuliani’s first two years, the full-time headcount rose from 235,069, in June 1996 to over 253,000 by November 2000. Thanks largely to this growth in the workforce, the total increase in personnel service costs since 1995 has been $4 billion."

2. "Outsourced Services. The failure to shrink the scope of city government made it all the more imperative that Mayor Giuliani vastly increase its efficiency. In the attempt to increase productivity, the mayor farmed out some city services to private contractors. But as the number of outsourced contracts doubled under Giuliani, contractual expenses also nearly doubled—from $3 billion to $5.8 billion. While it may be argued that the city saved money by outsourcing these services, the net savings turned out to be marginal at best. In practice, outsourcing proved to be more of a bargaining chip in negotiations with unions than a serious means of pruning expenses."

Hard evidence from a source friendly to Rudy Giuliani and proof positive, he was/is NO fiscal conservative. Just another run-of-the-mill NYCity liberal.

George Will on ABC's This Week had high praise for Mayor Giuliani's record, stating, "Let me -- let me make the case for Giuliani. Just -- you can argue as indeed I have so argued that his eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly."

Not only that, but does Rudy also agree with George Will's cut-and-run opinion regarding Iraq? How does Rudy being a staunch supporter of the WOT mesh with Will's endorsement of him?

Now, don't get me wrong. Rudy is not responsible for Will's opinions. But, the flip side is, if Will is cut-and-run, then his opinions regarding Rudy should not be viewed as any kind of viable endorsement.