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Posted on 10/06/2003 11:29:18 AM PDT by X-Servative
For those of us looking at both Arnold and McClintock (practical vs. principle), I offer the following observations…
- Democrats are masters of incrementalism, where Republicans (often based on principle) want the whole ball of wax.
- Over the past 20 years, California has swung dramatically to the left based on the Democrats continuing to implement their Chinese water torcher of liberal socialization.
- Democrats outnumber Republicans in the state, so division among party ranks is more damaging to Republicans.
- Is it better to lose everything and stand up for what you believe in or to compromise and live to fight another day?
- If Giuliani were the Republican candidate in California (he has many of the same views as Arnold), would you vote for him?
- If Arnold wins, are you prepared for the media onslaught of attention that will attempt to rehabilitate Bill Clinton.
Tom McClintock is a principled man who believes in the causes for which he is fighting. But based on the incrimentalism of the Democrats social agenda, Tom is not in line socially with a majority of Californians, which will cost him votes.
Arnold is fiscally conservative and socially liberal, a bridge between the Democrat and Republican parties. Can his approach get the pendulum swinging back in the conservative direction.
We can view this election as a stepping-stone to a conservative agenda or stand on principle and keep our fingers crossed.
On October 7th, I will be voting for…TBD.
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It would happen anyway.
I hope Arnold follows a more responsible course, especially on fiscal issues. He should take a chainsaw to the budget including "education." Raise the damn tuition at Berkley to $18,000 already!
Depends on where you are in the country. I think the overall number, depending on what one means by socially conservative, could be as high as 1/3, but no higher than that. And that does include some people who are socially conservative, but fiscally liberal: what's left of the Democratic Party's white ethnic base in the Northeast and Midwest. OTOH, I think the number of fiscal conservatives, or those who are receptive to fiscal conservative arguments, probably runs close to a majority overall.
The biggest problem for social conservatives is that there are a lot of moderate to conservative people who are (1) conservative on defense, (2) conservative on fiscal issues, (3) fairly conservative in their personal morality and values, but (4) significantly more tolerant than "social conservatives" of 'sinful' or 'immoral' behavior in others -- tolerant in the sense that they don't think it's the government's business to heavily legislate morality and in the sense that they think a lot of moral judgements are between an individual and his or her god, if any.
And, those are people who will never, ever support candidates they perceive as inflexible and absolutist social conservtives.
I'll take the latter choice. And if we all took the latter, McClintock would win, giving actual conservatism a chance to prove itself.
From what principle does McClintock's taking money from Indian gaming interests come? How about the principle of not speaking ill of someone in your own party (McClintock stating that Arnold should withdraw if LA Times-Enquirer charges are credible). I started with McClintock but he has lost my vote. Arnold is not perfect but he is better than the alternatives. It is becomming practical vs pimple.
'We Have to Destroy California to Save It': Arnold Opposes AND Supports Illegal Immigration
Will he then, like President Bush, immediately halt the invasion taking place across our southern border?
About 85% of the CA electorate is opposed to McClintock according to polling data.....
Or we can view it as the incremental eroding of any remaining conservative influence on the CA Republican Party leadership. Once it's been confirmed that "only a moderate Republican can win in CA", we'll just keep getting more and more liberal Republicans pushed on us by the powers-that-be.
The state party leadership wanted Riordan rather than Simon and proceeded to torpedo any chance Simon had in the general election. While, admittedly, Simon did run a terrible campaign, he could have done much better with some support from the party. If there was any significant party support for Simon in 2002, I must have missed it.
Uh... no. That's not how you read statistics and I think you probably know that. Going with another option doesn't show a direct opposition to the other options available.
Sorry, but your assertion is flat wrong. Bill Simon lost for three reasons:
1. Gray Davis spent enormous amounts of money in the primaries to take Riordan down, and later to define Bill Simon for the electorate.
2. Bill Simon ran one of the worst statewide campaigns ever. He made every campaign mistake in the books, and invented some new ones to boot.
3. Democrats have a huge advantage in voter registration and a well-oiled political machine in this state with a superb grassroots get-out-the-vote capability thanks to unions. Republicans, on the other hand, have a pathetic statewide party and exceedingly poor get-out-the-vote organization. To use a sports metaphor, California Democrats are like the Super Bowl champs playing against a local high school football team that hasn't had a winning record in years.
The only reason Davis is in trouble now is because he under-reacted to the early recall effort and stupidly signed the car tax legislation. That's what caused signatures to suddenly pour in on the recall petitions.
I voted for (R)nold.
I have voted for McClintock several times before.
I would have voted for McClintock again if he had a realistic chance.
Count me as 1 of your 85% who is not opposed to McClintock.
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