Blackout Thread for history buffs- World War One and it's consequences?

My Squash ^ | 8/14/03 | Burkeman1

[Burkeman1]

Blackout Thread- If the United States had never been involved in World War One- would there have been a WWII or a Soviet Union?

[Burkeman1]

Discuss.

[D. Brian Carter]

I'd comment, but I have no power due to the blackout.

[Burkeman1]

LOL- I am just glad that New England is on the Quebec power grid.

[D. Brian Carter]

Seriously, I'd love to get in on the thread, but I'm out the door... have fun, and crank that AC up!

[narby]

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[Burkeman1]

Have fun- no need for AC much here- live by the shore.

[Burkeman1]

Yes- it did. And Kerensky was the leader of that time and also pro Ally and for continuing the war at the urging of France and Britain. Disasterous mistake because then the October revolution came about.

[Burkeman1]

PS- what happened to half your post? It was garbled?

[Gumption]

If the United States hadn't entered into WWI the war could have continued on through the 1940's and would therefor have effectively eliminated the need for WWII.

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(What the hell did I just say?)

[tet68]

Ok, here's a scenario,
US doesn't enter the war, Ludendorff offensive successful,
France capitulates,England sues for Peace.
Weimar Republic never happens, great depression never happens. Germany thrown into Chaos by influenza, Kaiser and
ruling class die, Hitler elected , Nazis control Reichstag.
Germany takes sudatenland, Belgium,and nordic countries as
vassel states,splits Poland with Stalin.
Invades England, then takes moscow.
German bombers hit New York. WW II begins.

[Burkeman1]

I Disagree. The Germans would have won controlled much of Central Europe and any Boleshivik state in Russia, without grain land, would have withered and died.

[Burkeman1]

I think the flu thing is the weak point in your analysis as we suffered about as much as the Germans did in that pandemic.

[Burkeman1]

Thoughts? If any?

[tet68]

Yes we did, but perhaps a lot of that came from our involvment in Europe.

Any way Hitler came home from the war a celebrated hero
and went into business and married his niece, things were
looking good till she ran off with a nice jewish boy.
He said it really didn't affect him but if you knew what to look for you could tell he was bitter.

Then along came the flu, hundreds of thousands died, the medical profession, cripled by the war couldn't cope.
Hitler lost the rest of his family and his business.

One day he spotted an old friend from his army days while eating the free wurst at a beerhall.
His friend, a flyer from the war, introduced him to his table of friends and said they were all going down to "Sophie's Place" later for a little tete a tete and did he want to get his ashes halled or some german phrase like that.

It was cold in Munich at that time and Hitler, with no business and no wife, said "Here hold mein bier."


The next thing he remembers is marching down the street with
these guys, singing songs from the old days when the police start shooting at them, then he finds himself in Spandow prison.

He was charged with TREASON ?!?

Trying to clear his name was pointless even though he wrote a book about it called," My Struggle to Clear an Innocent name".
His publisher thought this too long and shortened it to,
" MY struggle!"
So there you have it, that's how he got into politics.
More to come.

[Burkeman1]

More than a couple of things wrong in your histroy beginning with Hitler never married his niece.

[Alberta's Child]

This is an interesting question, and historians make a career out of speculating about the answer. I've often wondered what would have happened if Germany had won World War I, or at least if France and Great Britain hadn't come down so hard on Germany after the war. There's no doubt in my mind that history would have unfolded much differently if either scenario had played out.

[Burkeman1]

Without US monetary and munition support the UK and France wouuld have lost the war in 1916 or at the very least by the "Kaiser battle" of March of 1918 when the Germans, using new "storm troop" tactics nearly crushed the allied lines and had the chance of taking Paris.

[tet68]

Hey, it's MY alternate universe.
He did too marry his niece. He had to, she was preggers,
swole up like a penny balloon!
Later the thought of his child raised in Judeism tore him
apart, especially the bris thing so he began internalizing
a lot of these feelings and well, you can see the result.

[Burkeman1]

Ok- but we are trying to stay within historical boundaries- not fantasy. I could say Hitler married Petain's daughter and they had an UBER EUROPE baby. Stop being a child.

[tet68]

Alright, gee, no defeat in ww I, no league of nations,
no weimar republic, no 13 points, what about the crash of
'29'? yea or nea?