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Time to end the dating game....

Posted on 04/18/2003 11:38:16 AM PDT by 1stFreedom

My friends unwed, 20 something year old daughter got pregnany recently. The young woman had an abortion, but thank God it didn't take. Now she is going to keep the baby.

The father is half way across the country and wants to have the baby killed. Typical man, want's the fun involved in making a baby but doesn't want the responsiblity of the results of having sex.

My friend is involved in the Church and pro-life activities. Her children were brought up pro-life. So how is it her daughter had an abortion??? How is it her daughter got pregnant in the first place?

Dating.

It all comes down to the fact that people, for the most part, cannot or will not control themselves. I know this from personal experience.

Letting your 20 something year old daughter travel across the country to visit a boyfriend is absurd. You can bet that about 90% of overnight visits by young adults involves sex.

In the past the problem of overnight sex romps was dealt with by sewing the man up in a sack that he couldn't get out of until the morning. Sounds silly? You bet, but, what would you rather do, do something silly or have a pregnant daughter and/or a dead grandchild?

In the past "dates" were chaperoned, providing little or no opportunity for intimate relations. The benefits of such "dating" is that once your jets cool, you can make good decisions about the other person.

Our daughters, even those into their 20's, need protection by parents. If they live at home, there needs to be rules about dating and men. One might think that this would scare away men. If a man isn't willing to abide by these rules, then what is he really after? Is he just after sex? If he is really interested, I bet he'll be willing to be chaperoned.

Friends need to chaperon friends. Double "dating" provides accountablity, peer pressure not to have sex, and it lessens the opportunity for sex.

Also, women shouldn't let a man in their home at all unless a parent is there.

Finally, tell your daughters that if they are pregnant, to tell you first before telling the baby's father. Have them invite the gentleman to your home, and have them tell the father there.

Why? Because more often then not, a man will arrange an abortion appointment. When the woman comes over he'll drive her to the clinc. This is what happened to my friends daughter. She went to his state and house and he drove her right to the clinic!

Never, never, as long as your daughter lives under your roof, ever let your daughter spend the night with a boyfriend. IF she thinks this is silly and does not abide by it, show her the door.

If you think this is silly, then you are just part of the problem. What is worse, chaperoned "dating" and protecting your daughters, or rampant abortion, AIDS, and children without participating fathers? Think about it really good.

So far, Dating is an utter failure.


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To: axxmann
Sure. A young (ie, up to 30 years) should stay at home till she marries.
161 posted on 04/18/2003 4:41:21 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
Well, if you kids take a bus to college, that solves the problem.

You're being silly now. Just do the best you can do. Pass on your knowledge and your values and pray they always remember to respect themselves and others. Going away to college is not an evil thing. They'll make mistakes on their own and if they are smart, they will learn and strive to do better. But, you know that already.

162 posted on 04/18/2003 4:42:59 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey
>>You're being silly now.

I am? I'd put my money where my mouth is. I bet your daughter would get preggy before mine did. I bet mine has a good chance of loosing her virginity on her honeymoon.

We give our young adults tooooo much freedom. In most urban areas, it's easy to get to a college or university on public transportation.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

163 posted on 04/18/2003 4:46:37 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
We give our young adults tooooo much freedom.

I'd dispute that. When my mother was in high school, students were allowed to leave the premises during lunch hour if they chose, and many did and went to the local burger joint instead of the cafeteria. Nowadays, even when students have nothing but study hall for the last period of the day, they're not allowed to leave before the closing bell.

What does any of that have to do with sex? Not much directly. But it does speak volumes about society's attitudes toward absolute control of the "helpless" youth. It's a small wonder then, that personal responsibility doesn't exactly thrive in such an environment.

164 posted on 04/18/2003 5:00:59 PM PDT by inquest
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To: 1stFreedom
It may be an "artificial number" but it is the legal standard we have chosen. Therefor, you have no legal say over what your 18 year old child does. Perhaps you should look to how those children were raised up to their 18th birthday to find a solution, and not try to attempt to control their adult life.
165 posted on 04/18/2003 5:28:24 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (YATTA!)
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To: Texaggie79
>>It may be an "artificial number" but it is the legal standard we have chosen.

First of all, we did not choose it. It was handed down to us. IMO, it should be bumped up to like 23.

>>Therefor, you have no legal say over what your 18 year old child does.

Sure you do. You call legally refuse to let them drive you car. YOu can legally refuse to let them live with you. You can disinherit them. Plenty you can do.

166 posted on 04/18/2003 5:33:18 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
So if your child got a full scholarship elsewhere, or joined the military, you would disinherit them? And four years of college means that the child is now 22, what are you going to force them to stay past that point?
167 posted on 04/18/2003 6:15:52 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Cable225
Sounds like you did everything right.....Your response seems right on to me....when it comes to YOUR money, it does matter....(like if she was getting bad grades because she was partying too much, etc.)
168 posted on 04/18/2003 6:32:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We decide, then Report, IF we want you to know: CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News, by CRIMINALS!)
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To: The Mike Device
I said "some conditions" .... what they do outside of your roof, is NOT under your control, obviously....LOL.
169 posted on 04/18/2003 6:34:12 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We decide, then Report, IF we want you to know: CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News, by CRIMINALS!)
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To: rwfromkansas
I am waiting till marriage. And I neither need bundling nor to be escorted to be able to control myself. The Holy Spirit does that thank you very much.

Hope you have a wonderful honeymoon once you do tie the knot.

170 posted on 04/19/2003 12:00:11 AM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: inquest
That could only be the case if the parents were failures to begin with.

You got that right. I made a few bad choices, including male companions, and not always being sexually responsible. I paid for it. Guy was pushing me to have an abortion, I didn't want it, my parents weren't speaking to me. . . .

I made the wrong choice. Wound up infertile and emotionally devastated. I couldn't forgive myself. My pastor worked with me, and I thought I had forgiven myself, but every August I wonder. My child would be 22 this August. Abortion is not an easy way out. I know from experience.

I blame my parents in that I learned about sex from bathroom walls, and they treated me like I had the plague when I told them I was pregnant. The rest was my fault. The guy wasn't terribly helpful, but the ultimate decision was mine.

171 posted on 04/19/2003 12:21:00 AM PDT by Beep (Please do not flame me. I am filled with enough guilt to last two lifetimes.)
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To: MineralMan
My friend is involved in the Church and pro-life activities. Her children were brought up pro-life. So how is it her daughter had an abortion??? How is it her daughter got pregnant in the first place?

My story will come up shortly. My father is a high school teacher and college professor and church "leader." My mother is a nurse and a diaconal minister. Sound wonderful? You (the collective "you") may have them.

172 posted on 04/19/2003 12:28:36 AM PDT by Beep (Please do not flame me. I am filled with enough guilt to last two lifetimes.-- squared)
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To: LWalk18
>>So if your child got a full scholarship elsewhere, or joined the military, you would disinherit them? And four years of college means that the child is now 22, what are you going to force them to stay past that point?

No. Once they leave, they are truely on their own.

As for staying past 22, they can leave if they want.

The best I can do is provide the environment that does not give the occassion to get in trouble. Once they leave this environment, they are on their own.
173 posted on 04/19/2003 6:19:23 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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