[patton]

He has $115 toward the optics already - dang capatalist kid...

[patton]

Ping your friends - I am thinking a black powder .50

[aviator]

Would you like 1000m accuracy or would you like cheap ammo and optics?

[elbucko]

His requirements are 1000m accuracy, cheap ammo.

Don't we all.

[oldvike]

No offense, but I seriously don't see how you will meet those specs you've set forth for $1000.

1000 meters?

[CGASMIA68]

Better "AKS" Oprah!!

[cavtrooper21]

Mauser bolt action - sturdy, inexpensive and easy to customize. Mine is dead on at 300+, has an old military step barrel. A good bull barrel will give it all the accuracy he needs. Plus he can add to it, make it truely "his" rifle... Re-loading will make for cheap and accurate ammo, but it takes time to learn (father/son time !) but will really add to the thrill of a good group.
Barrel will have to be headspaced by a good gunsmith, and a good trigger will be a must. Bruno of Cezch. is making a good action also, @ 500 clams, imported by Interarms.
Don't sell BSA or Tasco short, I have used both brands and have had great service from both.

[em2vn]

It would help to know what you son wants to shoot. Does he want the weapon for hunting or is he going to use it for competition. How old is he and what is his body build? Has he mastered good shooting technique with the .22 or is he just wanting something with more punch?

[KriegerGeist]

Have him save up for one of these

Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad Rifle

[Noslrac]

Good optics to shoot 1000m accurately are gonna cost far more than 200 bucks...thats a low end scope. 1000m is a large distance to go from shooting a 22lr, and btw he is gonna get some recoil with anything he plans to shoot 1000m. How old is he? and does he have a nice strong shoulder?

[45Auto]

1000 meters; the minimum is a 24-26 inch barreled .308. Even that will probably not be good at much further than 600 yards. I just built a .300 Win Mag for 1000 yard benchrest; that required about 2 years and something near $2000, less optics. I don't see any off-the-shelf $800 rifle, especially sporter weights, being more accurate than 1.5 minute of angle out to 300 yards. Optics with a power range of at least 20 will be required; probably the best scope for the money would be the Weaver V24 (6 x 24)at around $300. 1000 meters is a long distance.

[Noslrac]

oh and what is "accurate" at 1000m??? able to hit a barn?

[Tailback]

If he really wants to shoot 1000 yards he needs to get more than $200 worth of optics. You can always go with a Savage 110 police sniper (errr varmint I mean) bed the stock and give it a trigger job for an inexpensive rifle. Optics are gonna cost and you may as well go with quality from the get-go.

[JEC]

M1 Garand accurate to about 3500 feet. Got one from CMP (rack grade) and was very impressed. Easy to clean, ammo reasonably priced.

[tet68]

Ya got to walk before you run.

Can he keep all , ALL his hits in a one inch sq. at 25 yds?
Then he stands a good chance of making first round hits out to 500.
I'd settle for that for a bit, look at a "B" barrel Finn M-39, excellent cond. Whole sale Gun and Ammo has them for
$ 139 plus transfer your talking about $180 and these are
Sako made generally, a like new will cost $200 + transfer
I have several and they are great shooters
Apply for a 03 Curio and relic license and UPS will bring them to your house!
Warning, milsurps ARE habitforming!

[yonif]

While we are on the subject, anyone know of a good pistol a first-time gun owner should buy to start out?

Thanks

[ezo4]

buy him a marlin 45/70. The first person I ever seen shoot one of these was a skinny little girl at the age of 12 or so.

Just do it.

[Nucluside]

I have two junior shooters and I think it's a pretty big jump from a .22 to a 1000m rifle. How about a 500-700m gun, like a .300 Win. mag or .338 magnum? Personally, I'd talk him in to an '06 or .308. I think you can get any of those calibers in a Remington 700. Most important thing: Join the NRA if not a member and get him signed up, too!

[yarddog]

The Remington model 700 action is probably the most accurate affordable rifle out there. If it were me, I would choose 30-06 and one of the synthetic stocks. The only thing you will need to do is have the trigger adjusted by someone who knows what he is doing.

The .308 is supposed to be more accurate but this is more theoretical than real. The 30-06 is a little more powerful and good surplus ammo is available.

The scope should probably be a Leupold or Nikon. You could probably get by with a cheaper one if you choose a fixed power. Say a 6X. If he is interested in long range shooting, it might not even be a bad idea to put on a receiver sight and forget the scope.

A scope will be better for absolute accuracy but iron sights for some reason do real well at long ranges.

[45Auto]

If I wanted a good 600 yard off-the-shelf rifle for distance shooting, I would buy the Remington 700 PSS in .308, fit it with a Harris bipod and either a Weaver V24, a Leupold 6.5 x 20 Vari-X III, or if I had the money, a Nightforce 5.5 x 22. The rifle should run between $900 - $1000. The Weaver scope is about $300, the Leupold somewhere between $500 -$600,and the Nightforce near $1000.

[45Auto]

Remington 700 P series: .308, .300 Win Mag