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The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads!

Posted on 12/17/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Journey to the Cross-roads

The Two Towers Edition

Come on! Come in! -if you would like to have some seedcakes and a pint and relax a while. (If it is a special occasion, we still have a few bottles of the old wineyards left!)

Our first thread ( New Zealander builds Hobbit hole ) reached 4,100 posts, and we thought that was big. Our second thread (The New Hobbit Hole ) held us for over 48,000 posts, and we loved it dearly. We talked about moving to a new thread for the last 38,000 posts, but we are really slow to muster! Finally, the time has come. Tomorrow (at 12:01 am, to be precise!) The Two Towers comes out, and we start a new chapter.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Oh, thanks, Corin
361 posted on 12/17/2002 8:51:37 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Elenya
Well, Jackson's Boromir was better, if anything, so maybe Farimir could be OK, too.
362 posted on 12/17/2002 8:54:50 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: All
'nite to all of you Hobbits and other inhabitants of Middle-Earth. And to you too plain old FReepers...
363 posted on 12/17/2002 8:58:39 PM PST by Elenya
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To: Sam Cree
maybe Farimir could be OK, too.

Probably. I don't worry too much about it. I'm just grateful I was warned! And you're right: Bean-Boromir was perfect. Boromir's death scene gets me everytime. The sound of the bow, the "snorting" of Lurtz, the slow motion, the acting... Unbelievable!

364 posted on 12/17/2002 9:07:13 PM PST by Elenya
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To: Corin Stormhands
Snif.

Ahem.

365 posted on 12/17/2002 9:38:25 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Elenya
Good night, All.
366 posted on 12/17/2002 9:38:42 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Hi Scott, good night, All.

Not sure why I am still up.
367 posted on 12/17/2002 9:41:19 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; All
For those who don't live in Austin: the Alamo Drafthouse is a movie theater that serves food (beer, booze, and wine, sandwiches, pizza, appetizers, and desserts) while you watch a movie.

We've gotta go there sometime ... I looked at the menu, and it looks pretty durn good!

368 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:13 PM PST by Rose in RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; RosieCotton; carton253; John Farson; ...
Whew! I'm back from the theatre and everyone is in bed, but I did want to post my review as promised.

It was exhausting, yet wonderful. At least as good as I expected and in some ways a lot better. Gollum is well worth all of our waiting and he managed to get more than just contempt from me, believe it or not. I felt pity, anger, frustration and at one point, I even thought he was cute in a sad kind of way.

The Balrog battle was awesome. I cannot wait to see it again. As with a lot of things in the movie, you will definitely have to see it more than once to get the details.

Helm's Deep was much more powerful to me personally after seeing it on-screen. Like Hair, I have a hard time picturing the battle and PJ put it across perfectly. You could actually feel the despair of the women and children in the caves - your shoulders become tense preparing for the breach of the final door into the heart of the old fortress. Oh, and yes, I laughed in spite of myself everytime (yes, it happens more than once) and elf screams like a woman as they go down in battle.

I could have had a bit more of the Ents, but to be fair, I could have had a bit more of everything! Alas, that is what the Extended DVD Version is for.

The flying Nazgul are terrifying. Those fell beasts are absolutely horrid, but fascinating to look upon. And the Wargs! *shudder* And the oliphants = WOW!!!!

OK, I know it's short, but I am soooo tired and I do have to get up and go to work in the morning briefly before heading to see TTT again! ;)

Oh, Glen and I were about the 5th couple in line so we got fabulous seats! And there was a lot of applause throughout the movie at certain scenes, even from those who looked like they were dragged along by a LoTR fan-friend.

I'll see you all in the morning! 2J will probably have posted her review by then and we can share notes. *grin*

Good night from a very sleepy Hobbit lass! Oh, and Corin, I LOVE the "First No-Elf"!! Put one on my door please.

369 posted on 12/17/2002 11:09:43 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: Elenya
And you're right: Bean-Boromir was perfect. Boromir's death scene gets me everytime. The sound of the bow, the "snorting" of Lurtz, the slow motion, the acting... Unbelievable!

I agree, chokes me up, still. Don't forget the music that plays at that point, too!

I watched it again this evening while I cleaned and prepared foodstuffs for Christmas company. Envious of all who are watching the TTT right now!

I had a thought that I never had before, but I'm sure others probably have. If Boromir had not tried to take the ring when he did, then Frodo would not have run off right then, and very likely been captured by the Urukis (Iraqis - coincidence, I don' know, lol Saruman Hussein? lol)

Anyway, strange that Boromir, in his act of 'ringlust' might actually have helped to save his people after all. Who knows? Really looking forward to the TTT tomorrow night, uh, tonight!

370 posted on 12/17/2002 11:34:55 PM PST by My back yard
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To: My back yard
Hey guys.

Frustration here - we went some distance to go to one of the better houses in KC (Westglen in lenexa) and the damned thing cut out THREE TIMES during the movie. Abd at some pretty inpoortune times, I might add. Imagine scaling ladders rising up to Helm's Deep's walls, Uruk-Hai screaming - and then the picture goes blank and the lights come on.

So it is difficult for me to really evaluate what I saw just now.

Idle observations:

The missus found Gollum annoying - she actually used the dread term "Jar Jar Binks." Personally I found him dead on in terms of what I visualized from the books.

On the other hand she found Aragon/Viggo hotter than ever. She nearly fainted during the mash session with Arwen on the divan.

Battle scenes were...well, simply brilliant.

If there are any preliminary kocks on the movie, I think I had some difficulty buying the Ents. I think also the lack of a beginning or end make it an odd experience, even if it was an expected one.

Otherwise, the only real complaint I have is that I cannot see Return of the King RIGHT NOW.

If Helm's Deep was this good, I can only imagine what the siege of Minas Tirith will be like.

371 posted on 12/18/2002 1:52:07 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: RMDupree; All
Another sleepy hobbit lass checking in!

Well, at the last minute I decided to do the nutsy thing and drive a long way to a strange town for a midnight viewing. I found a closer one yesterday afternoon (only and hour and a half away), and at about seven this evening I decided I couldn't stand it and we went! Took a bit of convincing to get Dad to let me take the kids - they're homeschooled, so that wasn't a concern, but he didn't like me driving that late. Worked out, though - how could I sleep after THAT!

Gotta get to bed - quick comments: Gollum is SOOOOO cool! Wow! I've never been able to identify with his character until now. Sam just keeps getting better. Eowyn and Eomer didn't disappoint. I don't know yet how I feel about some of the additions - don't get why they hadda do that. And I didn't like them using Gimli mostly for comic relief. The Ents were marvelous, but there wasn't nearly enough of them - or Merry and Pippin.

Gotta sleep now - it's after five!

372 posted on 12/18/2002 2:08:08 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; All
Good Morning all, and thank you for your reviews!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
373 posted on 12/18/2002 3:01:50 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: The Iguana; HairOfTheDog; RMDupree; Overtaxed; RosieCotton; ecurbh; JenB; 2Jedismom
The Two Towers was excellent. Gollum was amazing. The charge of the Rohirrim - breathtaking. Always glad to see more Gimli -- even as comic relief. PJ didn't completely humiliate him like the Trek writers did with Worf.

The switching between stories was a bit noisome (cutting to the Ents during the Helm's Deep battle is like switching to the Ewoks during the Luke/Vader duel! argh...) and the narration by Galadriel seemed unnecessary.

These objections will likely fade with repeat viewings.

374 posted on 12/18/2002 3:08:13 AM PST by John Farson
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog
uhhhh... did it really say stuff like that? And if it did, then I ask the rhetorical question, why would a review of TTT say stuff like that?

The "author" was making parallels between Tolkein's work, and the progression of the industrial era. Essentially, likening Aragorn and his kingship to the current Bush administration, and Sauron's forces as the "freedom fighters". You can skip a lot of the mucky-muck, and just jump to page 4...that's where the real socialist meat is.

375 posted on 12/18/2002 3:34:43 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: All
I am back! - PJ had a lot of fun with this movie.
376 posted on 12/18/2002 3:52:34 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
It was really intense!
377 posted on 12/18/2002 4:01:12 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
So am I goin' to be the last person in here to see TTT?... it's not gonna happen till Saturday at the earliest...
378 posted on 12/18/2002 4:04:04 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Good morning g'nad! I don't think you will be the last! Kevin has to wait till new years.
379 posted on 12/18/2002 4:06:25 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Funny that g'nad talked about an elfy smell and you mentioned shoveling poo...

you notices that too, huh?... mornin' bro...

380 posted on 12/18/2002 4:06:52 AM PST by g'nad
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