Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/9/02 to ???

[stlnative]

New thread...

[sandude]

You know, sandude and others of like mind, the term "seatcovers" could be a matter of interpretation.

This is true but when Angela says that the Jeep has never had seatcovers when in fact there was some sort of covering on them it smacks of deception.

[Jolly Green]

At an afternoon news conference Monday, Trujillo described the driver he saw as a white male with dark hair, wide sideburns, wearing a cream-colored shirt or jacket and driving a white or silver sedan made in the late 1980s or early 1990s. He was not wearing a hat. Trujillo observed the "Grand Am type" car...

Wow!!! You are really on a roll! How are you going to top this? IMHO, today you have posted some of the most significant aspects of this case since these threads started. Great work. Not coincidentally, they all point to Ricci.

[Sherlock]

I still wish they would get the milkman and Fred Trujillo together and make a composite sketch. Maybe even throw in Moul.

[varina davis]

Amazing how much you can get out of an interrogee if you just convince him that you have a superior power, a power of seeing through his lies.

Again, Devil_Anse, will you be joining the David Smart search Saturday in the canyons?

[Devil_Anse]

Ed is a player, I guess, and one has to sometimes get his hands dirty to be a player.

But, spore-gasm, are you really thinking that Ed could out-con a guy who's spent over half his life in a place filled with every scam artist in the book?

Are you really suggesting that Ed had more street-smarts than "Richard?"

Which one do we know for a fact had done dishonest things? And which one do we just ASSUME had done dishonest things?

[Sherlock]

THIS DEMONSTRATION IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF CREATING IN THE MIND OF THE TESTED SUBJECT, A BELIEF IN THE POWER OF THE POLYGRAPH TO DETECT LYING.

Interesting.

[varina davis]

To: Sherlock

At an afternoon news conference Monday, Trujillo described the driver he saw as a white male with dark hair, wide sideburns, wearing a cream-colored shirt or jacket and driving a white or silver sedan made in the late 1980s or early 1990s. He was not wearing a hat. Trujillo observed the "Grand Am type" car...

Wow!!! You are really on a roll! How are you going to top this? IMHO, today you have posted some of the most significant aspects of this case since these threads started. Great work. Not coincidentally, they all point to Ricci.

Trujillo also said the man he saw DID NOT have a mustache and did not resemble Ricci.

[Devil_Anse]

Guy who just got out of jail in March and admitted he'd been an accomplice in another murder:

Rettenberger. Per, Scaredkat's posted article on the old thread.

Yes, Rettenberger has bangs like the pig-roast man. Rettenberger is dark-complected like the pig-roast man. And it looked to me like Rettenberger had SIDEBURNS.

Note: Rettenberger is only 23 years old.

[Sherlock]

banks robbed by more than one person since Bonnie & Clyde

The Three Stooges, and the movie Funny Face with Bill Murrey and Gina Davis.

[Jolly Green]

Any person who knowingly trades a defective vehicle for hours of labor to avoid insurance, taxes, etc., is IMO, a shady businessman.

The jeep was a 1991, as I recall - over ten years old. Anyone buying a used car should expect that they are buying a car that it AS IS! No one warranties a used car for more than 90 days and Ricci drove the Jeep for more than ninety days before he finished paying for it. He knew EXACTLY what he was getting and was happy to get it. Your hypothesis and whinning is as devoid of logic and common sense, as are most of your other posts.

[varina davis]

Ricci drove the Jeep for more than ninety days before he finished paying for it.

Thought it was given to him in lieu of wages.

[Devil_Anse]

"Am anxiously awaiting the trial's evidence"

No fair, Lakey. You know there will never be a trial of Ricci for the bank robbery. When Ricci died, his criminal cases died with him.

You are willing to give the presumption of innocence to a dead man. I just hope you're giving that same presumption to all your live suspects.

[Devil_Anse]

You know, again, Varina, you know, I am just really glad, you know, that we members of the Smart and Ricci families, you know, have found this civilized way of discussing our differences.

[sandude]

Any person who knowingly trades a defective vehicle for hours of labor to avoid insurance, taxes, etc., is IMO, a shady businessman.

Do you have proof that he avoided any of these things? Do you think he might have given Rick a very good deal on the vehicle because he wanted to do the Christian thing? I don't know these things and I don't think that you have any proof of what you are saying either.

[varina davis]

You know, again, Varina, you know, I am just really glad, you know, that we members of the Smart and Ricci families, you know, have found this civilized way of discussing our differences.

Why you enjoy being obtuse, I don't know, but please report back to us about the search.

[lakey]

Ricci won't be a defendant, but wouldn't the prosecution have to bring up his part in the robbery?

[Devil_Anse]

"Thought [jeep] was given to him in lieu of wages."

Don't you get it? Ed let him start driving it right away, trusting Rick to come back and do the work, giving Rick credit, bit by bit, against the stated price. IOW, Ed let Rick buy the thing on credit. Ed extended credit to Rick. He gave him the privilege of driving this wonderful vehicle b/f Rick has paid a penny, and let Rick make periodic "payments" of work hours.

Ed's safeguard was that he held the title. He was the lienholder. HE COULD HAVE REPOSSESSED THE JEEP if Rick hadn't paid off the debt.

[Sherlock]

The sketch looks a lot more like Angela Ricci than Rettenberger. I'd like to see a picture of Angela's brother and Remington.

[sandude]

Of course, every human is God's creature. There has to have been good in the man--good that came from God. But I see absolutely no good in him that came from the man himself.

I do believe that there was not much redeeming value in Richard but there was some. I was trying to point out that he did show a level of intelligence in his writing that one would not find in a lot of criminals. He was capable of planning something like this. Good points on the Clinton comparison.

[Devil_Anse]

Very astute, Sandude!

"Do you have proof that [Ed] avoided [insurance, taxes, etc.]?"

I don't think Spore-gasm DOES have that proof, come to think of it.

OH!! I FORGOT!! The presumption of innocence ONLY applies to the now-deceased Richard Ricci! Not to those "snobs" like Ed Smart! How could I forget such a basic rule?