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Posted on 08/23/2002 9:35:01 PM PDT by IamHD

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To: Bella
Is Utah's hunger rate near top? It depends

By Norma Harrison
Deseret News staff writer

A new study labeling Utah among those states with the highest rate of hunger in the late 1990s has some economic experts skeptical, while low income advocates say the numbers back up what they are seeing on the streets.

As with most statistical analyses, the perspective depends upon with whom you talk.

According to the study, Utah went from being ranked 28th nationally for its hunger rate in 1996 to 1998 to fourth worst in the nation from 1998 through 2000 ? the largest jump of any state. Oregon, Washington and New Mexico ranked as the top three in the most recent study. And in the category of "food insecurity" - not knowing where or how the next meal will be found or paid for - Utah jumped from 24th in the nation to 11th worst.

That means 4.5 percent of Utah's households reported suffering from hunger during those years, and 12.5 percent considered themselves food insecure, the study by the Center on Hunger and Poverty at Brandeis University in Massachusetts.

Then again, they are two different sets of statistics: one compiled by the U.S. Department of Agriculture; the second by the U.S. Census Bureau. And both sets of numbers were crunched by a third party - the Center on Hunger and Poverty at Brandeis University in Massachusetts.

Those reportedly record highs came during the years when Utah's poverty rate was below the national average, and when the state's economy - as was true of much of the nation - was thriving, according to Wells Fargo Bank, which provides a tabulated diary of Utah's cost-of-living expenses annually in categories that range from transportation to health-care costs, food, clothing, education and housing.

Utah's historic reputation for providing free meals to needy families and the homeless - through The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state human welfare services and civic organizations - casts a pall of doubt that there would be such a big jump in those who suddenly found themselves more needy than usual, economists and analysts say.

"I've studied this for over 30 years and have found we certainly do have those people who are struggling economically, but I believe that if we combine the human welfare services in Utah . . . I would think we have a better cumulative support system as anywhere else in the country . . . and certainly at that particular time they're talking about - from 1998 to 2000 - when anyone who wanted to find a job in Utah could find a job," said Kelly Matthews, economist and executive vice president of Wells Fargo Bank.

Jan Crispin-Little, a senior analyst at the University of Utah Bureau of Economic and Business Research, also questioned the validity of comparing two separate studies that, while addressing the same issue, likely asked the questions about hunger and food-purchasing security in different ways.

"I mean, just look at the term 'food insecurity' and the way they defined it in the study. It says: "Food security refers to access to enough food at all times for an active and health lifestyle," including at a minimum the readily availability of nutritionally adequate and safe foods and to be able to acquire them in socially acceptable ways, meaning not having to resort to emergency food supplies, scavenging, stealing or other coping strategies.

"When you read that definition," Crispin-Little said, "it's hard to tell what that means. Does it mean people not being able to find or buy food, or does it mean making enough money to provide nutritionally for their families?"

While the state's poor ranking also surprised food pantry workers, they say they did have an inkling of things weren't right when an increase in numbers asking for food during the good years of the late 1990s. And a closer look after the study came out provided even more, tell-tale evidence of the bad news.

Food pantries across the state have witnessed an increase of 114 percent in families having to rely on the free food doled out by the state's food banks since 1995, said Gina Cornea, who as executive director of the low-income advocacy group Utahns Against Hunger tracks how many families Utah food banks serve annually.

"We're also seeing an increase in the number of people using emergency food pantries more than once a month, an 88 percent increase in that category alone," she said.

The Salvation Army's Family Services, which in Salt Lake City runs a food pantry, soup kitchen and clothing outlet, in the past nine months alone has seen an increase to 3,371 families accessing those services compared with 1,267 families in 2001, said the organization's spokeswoman, Katherine Scott.

Rachel Flashcube, pantry director for the state's largest food bank, the Crossroads Urban Center, said she is at a loss to explain the increase. "It's been going on the past two years and I don't exactly know why it's happening," she said of the 35 percent increase in families needing supplemental groceries over the past year. "Some days we're seeing 300 people a day."

Bill Crime of Utah Issues, an advocacy group for Utah's working poor, said the state has witnessed the paradox of a good economy in which some parents still can't afford enough food before.

"The reality is that low-income people did benefit from the economic boom, incomes went up for everyone in all economic strata during the years studied," he said. "The problem low-income people had during those years is their incomes didn't increase as fast as housing prices, and housing-price increases are sort of the paradox of economic growth for low-income people in this state."

"You can simultaneously have income growth and still lose ground and find yourself without enough money for food if housing prices, the need for child care, transportation costs and health-care costs are rising faster than inflation.

"Not all of those costs rose faster than inflation from 1998 to 2000, but the housing and health-care costs did rise faster than inflation," he continued. "The resulting gap means you can actually have your poverty rate go down and the number of people who find themselves without adequate food go up."

And food banks in Utah don't require people to prove they are below the poverty level, he added, because they realize that just because wages earned by working-poor adults rise above the federal poverty level, that does not mean they have enough left over financially for an adequate supply of food monthly.

During the three years studied, the Census Bureau asked the heads of 45,000 households in the United States whether their families suffered reduced food intake and hunger for children and adults due to lack of money, and whether the heads of households worried about running out of food with no money to buy more. In Utah, 1,449 heads of households responded to the census survey.

Researchers at the center then took the responses related to hunger and analyzed the results, state by state, and found that when compared to what the U.S. Department of Agriculture found in a similar survey from 1996 to 1998, Utah's hunger rate had worsened significantly, bumping the state up 24 spaces. In the category of "food insecurity" the state rate climbed 13 places in the rankings.

"That's a big change for Utah in so few years. It surprised even us," said Ashley Sullivan, a research analyst at Brandeis University's Center on Hunger and Poverty and co-author of the report, which she said was calculated to have a 90 percent confidence rate. "With the economy worsening over the past year, you have to wonder what the next set of rankings will show."

Is Utah's hunger rate near top? It depends

61 posted on 08/25/2002 7:23:33 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Bella
Is Utah's hunger rate near top? It depends

By Norma Harrison
Deseret News staff writer

A new study labeling Utah among those states with the highest rate of hunger in the late 1990s has some economic experts skeptical, while low income advocates say the numbers back up what they are seeing on the streets.

As with most statistical analyses, the perspective depends upon with whom you talk.

According to the study, Utah went from being ranked 28th nationally for its hunger rate in 1996 to 1998 to fourth worst in the nation from 1998 through 2000 ? the largest jump of any state. Oregon, Washington and New Mexico ranked as the top three in the most recent study. And in the category of "food insecurity" - not knowing where or how the next meal will be found or paid for - Utah jumped from 24th in the nation to 11th worst.

That means 4.5 percent of Utah's households reported suffering from hunger during those years, and 12.5 percent considered themselves food insecure, the study by the Center on Hunger and Poverty at Brandeis University in Massachusetts.

Then again, they are two different sets of statistics: one compiled by the U.S. Department of Agriculture; the second by the U.S. Census Bureau. And both sets of numbers were crunched by a third party - the Center on Hunger and Poverty at Brandeis University in Massachusetts.

Those reportedly record highs came during the years when Utah's poverty rate was below the national average, and when the state's economy - as was true of much of the nation - was thriving, according to Wells Fargo Bank, which provides a tabulated diary of Utah's cost-of-living expenses annually in categories that range from transportation to health-care costs, food, clothing, education and housing.

Utah's historic reputation for providing free meals to needy families and the homeless - through The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state human welfare services and civic organizations - casts a pall of doubt that there would be such a big jump in those who suddenly found themselves more needy than usual, economists and analysts say.

"I've studied this for over 30 years and have found we certainly do have those people who are struggling economically, but I believe that if we combine the human welfare services in Utah . . . I would think we have a better cumulative support system as anywhere else in the country . . . and certainly at that particular time they're talking about - from 1998 to 2000 - when anyone who wanted to find a job in Utah could find a job," said Kelly Matthews, economist and executive vice president of Wells Fargo Bank.

Jan Crispin-Little, a senior analyst at the University of Utah Bureau of Economic and Business Research, also questioned the validity of comparing two separate studies that, while addressing the same issue, likely asked the questions about hunger and food-purchasing security in different ways.

"I mean, just look at the term 'food insecurity' and the way they defined it in the study. It says: "Food security refers to access to enough food at all times for an active and health lifestyle," including at a minimum the readily availability of nutritionally adequate and safe foods and to be able to acquire them in socially acceptable ways, meaning not having to resort to emergency food supplies, scavenging, stealing or other coping strategies.

"When you read that definition," Crispin-Little said, "it's hard to tell what that means. Does it mean people not being able to find or buy food, or does it mean making enough money to provide nutritionally for their families?"

While the state's poor ranking also surprised food pantry workers, they say they did have an inkling of things weren't right when an increase in numbers asking for food during the good years of the late 1990s. And a closer look after the study came out provided even more, tell-tale evidence of the bad news.

Food pantries across the state have witnessed an increase of 114 percent in families having to rely on the free food doled out by the state's food banks since 1995, said Gina Cornea, who as executive director of the low-income advocacy group Utahns Against Hunger tracks how many families Utah food banks serve annually.

"We're also seeing an increase in the number of people using emergency food pantries more than once a month, an 88 percent increase in that category alone," she said.

The Salvation Army's Family Services, which in Salt Lake City runs a food pantry, soup kitchen and clothing outlet, in the past nine months alone has seen an increase to 3,371 families accessing those services compared with 1,267 families in 2001, said the organization's spokeswoman, Katherine Scott.

Rachel Flashcube, pantry director for the state's largest food bank, the Crossroads Urban Center, said she is at a loss to explain the increase. "It's been going on the past two years and I don't exactly know why it's happening," she said of the 35 percent increase in families needing supplemental groceries over the past year. "Some days we're seeing 300 people a day."

Bill Crime of Utah Issues, an advocacy group for Utah's working poor, said the state has witnessed the paradox of a good economy in which some parents still can't afford enough food before.

"The reality is that low-income people did benefit from the economic boom, incomes went up for everyone in all economic strata during the years studied," he said. "The problem low-income people had during those years is their incomes didn't increase as fast as housing prices, and housing-price increases are sort of the paradox of economic growth for low-income people in this state."

"You can simultaneously have income growth and still lose ground and find yourself without enough money for food if housing prices, the need for child care, transportation costs and health-care costs are rising faster than inflation.

"Not all of those costs rose faster than inflation from 1998 to 2000, but the housing and health-care costs did rise faster than inflation," he continued. "The resulting gap means you can actually have your poverty rate go down and the number of people who find themselves without adequate food go up."

And food banks in Utah don't require people to prove they are below the poverty level, he added, because they realize that just because wages earned by working-poor adults rise above the federal poverty level, that does not mean they have enough left over financially for an adequate supply of food monthly.

During the three years studied, the Census Bureau asked the heads of 45,000 households in the United States whether their families suffered reduced food intake and hunger for children and adults due to lack of money, and whether the heads of households worried about running out of food with no money to buy more. In Utah, 1,449 heads of households responded to the census survey.

Researchers at the center then took the responses related to hunger and analyzed the results, state by state, and found that when compared to what the U.S. Department of Agriculture found in a similar survey from 1996 to 1998, Utah's hunger rate had worsened significantly, bumping the state up 24 spaces. In the category of "food insecurity" the state rate climbed 13 places in the rankings.

"That's a big change for Utah in so few years. It surprised even us," said Ashley Sullivan, a research analyst at Brandeis University's Center on Hunger and Poverty and co-author of the report, which she said was calculated to have a 90 percent confidence rate. "With the economy worsening over the past year, you have to wonder what the next set of rankings will show."

Is Utah's hunger rate near top? It depends

62 posted on 08/25/2002 7:24:20 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: hergus; TXLady
Oh, TxLady, what a heartbreaking story. Thank goodness she is alive and back with her loved ones.

Blessings to all of you.

Hergus said it very well. I'm so sorry for your granddaughter. I think we are all drawn to the Smart story for a reason. My reason isn't as terrible as yours. At least your granddaughter is safe now.

63 posted on 08/25/2002 7:47:56 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: sandude
If this is true it would have contributed to the family’s feeling that she was still alive. Why would her abductor allow her to go to the bathroom to get her medication if he was planning on killing her.

Excellent point, sandude.

64 posted on 08/25/2002 8:34:41 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: spore-gasm
It also sounds like no one is worried about the kids' safety, either. This speaks volumes.

I don't get it, what are you trying to say? What speaks volumes? Do you want a policeman to be with her in school and public for the rest of her life?

65 posted on 08/25/2002 9:14:16 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: varina davis
It certainly makes one wonder anew....

No it doesn't Varina, you've been wondering and doing your utmost to be dishonest and hide the facts and sway opinion away from the truth to the most heinous, tabloid, completely outrageous, unfounded accusations your convoluted mind can conceive since the beginning. Don't make a lame effort to appear innocent in this company.

66 posted on 08/25/2002 9:20:04 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
I believe several of our fellow FReepers would keel over if they realized the actual number of people who have opinions contrary to conventional wisdom (Ricci did it).

Sorry to disappoint you but your fellow freepers are well aware that there is no limit to the ignorance and gullibility of the American public and the open willingness of much of the public to lie and deceive on any matter. What's happening on that pro-Westerfield website?

67 posted on 08/25/2002 9:25:17 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Don't make a lame effort to appear innocent in this company.

When your IQ attains normal body temperature numbers, you might have something worth posting. Until then, you're wasting bandwidth. As I said before, we know who you really are.

68 posted on 08/25/2002 9:30:44 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
OK, we've learned from Varina tonight that Elizabeth ran away and got married because it's legal in Utah at 15 and she has asthma, presumably from the abuse of her family. It's OK if you want to swim through the sewer Varina but please quit splashing it on your fellow freepers.
69 posted on 08/25/2002 9:31:10 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Utah Girl
I've heard that the Morman Church brings a lot of pressure on their members to tithe, is that not correct?
70 posted on 08/25/2002 9:33:02 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Well, if we don't pay a full tithe, we can't get temple recommends. But as far as a leader coming over to my home and demanding money? No. And there are no collection baskets in church services, there are envelopes that one can hand to the bishop or slide under his office door at the church house. Quite honestly, I have found that if I make paying tithing a priority (that is the first check I write out after each payday), I have an easier time managing my finances.
71 posted on 08/25/2002 9:39:57 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: varina davis
It certainly makes one wonder anew about the alleged kidnapping as opposed to runaway.

There's many people who are saying runaway also, even on the mormon boards...I've also read that they felt MK didn't wake the parents up earlier so they would have time to get away..Whatever the case, I hope and pray that she's alive, and hopefully will let the family KNOW that she's ok.

72 posted on 08/25/2002 9:52:54 PM PDT by Bella
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To: varina davis
Wonder if she had asthma or some other chronic problem.

If she had health problems, I'm certain they would have alerted the public to this fact as I've seen in other cases.

73 posted on 08/25/2002 9:54:34 PM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm
We know that there are many, many people who are suspicious of the circumstances, explanations, etc. I believe several of our fellow FReepers would keel over if they realized the actual number of people who have opinions contrary to conventional wisdom (Ricci did it).

I'm sure they've read other sites to realize this.

74 posted on 08/25/2002 9:55:53 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Utah Girl
In my church, they tell people if you can't give cheerfully, you shouldn't give. My church is probably one of the most financially blessed churches on earth. All glory to Him.
75 posted on 08/25/2002 9:56:34 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Faith
Once again, a lovely prayer for a Sunday evening.
76 posted on 08/25/2002 10:04:02 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Bella
Bella,

Good posts today! I just read the one about the LDS Secrets regarding the "Temple Ceremonies". Years ago we had a heinous murder in my area by a Mormon. He killed an entire family and buried them in his barn. At that time, lots came out about the LDS and the ceremonies. Reading more on the subject, I discovered what they do in these private ceremonies and was shocked. I guess everyone else will have their turn to be shocked as well!
77 posted on 08/25/2002 10:19:21 PM PDT by L84AD8
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To: varina davis
Read somewhere that Elizabeth's birthday is in November, the 3rd??
78 posted on 08/25/2002 10:24:14 PM PDT by lakey
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To: trussell
place marker
79 posted on 08/25/2002 10:30:26 PM PDT by trussell
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To: sandude
After watching Fox News tonight, & hearing Weaver's ex-wife - that she told LE months ago to check out her husband, & they ignored her, it seems entirely possible that SLD PD & FBI are either incompetent, or suffering from infighting...perhaps, no one wants to make a decision for fear of ridicule.

Mrs. Weaver also told LE that there was an odor in the back yard 2 or 3 days after one of the girls were missed.

To top it off, Miranda's family hired a private detective, and a cadavar dog picked up a scent - the police still declined to investigate further!

At least, that's what I think was said.

80 posted on 08/25/2002 10:37:04 PM PDT by lakey
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