Posted on 08/23/2002 9:35:01 PM PDT by IamHD
I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(
Do you suppose it was wishful thinking -- the poisoning theory?
I have never believed Ricci was in any direct danger from the "general population" in prison. I think he is in danger from the long arm of someone who is powerful enough to have him silenced......someone who is deeply involved in Elizabeth's disappearance and who would be seriously damaged if Ricci were to tell what he knows. I think Ricci was being kept in maximum security for the same reason that Edmunds was being kept isolated and under U.S. Marshall guard......these men know too much about someone. Just my opinion.
What makes you think that your opinions aren't prejudiced? You guys think that you're the ultimate whatever, but you're not. You continuously accuse anyone who doesn't agree w/ you of having motives. You actually feel you can get everyone to conform to your way of thinking, and actually think your ten little pieces of testimony outrank one large piece of evidence, & add to that the pressure to be a part of the "family" and you hope to humiliate anyone back into conformity. Wasn't this a tactic started by Brigham Young in frontier days & is part of the culture of the mind control machinery?
You people feel like it is okay to do anything to get you back into the fold including embarrassment & guilt of any kind..whatever it takes to silence you from thinking on your own. We all want to know about anything and everything pertaining to this case, and it apparently bothers you that we read other boards and not take your word as gospel.
You won't read other boards because you can't control them as you guys try here. You're sounding like Mr Ed, thinking they can "force" the perp into sending back Elizabeth. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to "read" what he and Cindy was stating last nite on both shows. He's contradicted himself so many times, & have an idea of who's really is the real perp. You guys can't face reality of what's being stated by thousands of people regarding this case, including people living in the same area of SLC, and think by trying to force an innocent person of this crime to admit to this crime is totally insane. They should have all taken polygraph's, but they wouldn't do that, would they..BTW, you're aware they never denied anything about the porno stuff on the computers, interesting. Save yourself some lip service, don't start accusing me or others of flaming the family because we're not, it's all part of this case..
I thought the general consensus is that child rapists/killers are the ones who don't survive in prison, and therefore are segregated with "like" offenders in some populations of prison ???
Did he check up on aneurysms..to "be told" ?
In the interview, he was asked why he thought Ricci was involved in this abduction. ONE of the reasons why was..Ricci POTENTIALLY had a key to the house !
He also brought up the simular case where Ricci went into a neighbor's house, the same way, so he just figured he did it in his house to. I am also reminded that it was stated yesterday, that while Ricci was in the neighbor's house, grunting, he had A CONVERSATION with the guest in the bedroom while he was stealing!!! WHAT??
This is the first time I heard Mr. Smart say that Ricci had a key to the house. (potential key). He is telling me that he, a multi millionaire, who is in the construction business, has to be fully aware of Utah law and prisoners having to comply with admission of arrests, and those hiring them need to get full disclosure, didn't GET THE POTENTIAL KEY back from him when he completed the job????? Does that make sense to anyone?????
What he is saying to the viewers is that...Ricci STILL HAD A KEY TO HIS HOUSE !!!! You can take it NO OTHER WAY !!
What a wonderful idea! Is there some way you could suggest this to either the Smarts or the media, emails perhaps. I think that would be a great way to keep Liz in the news as well as highlight other missing children. I know he is working with the legislature to get the Amber Alert national, this would fit right in.
D-News Puts Girl's Uncle In Spotlight Sunday,
June 16, 2002
BY MICHAEL VIGH and KEVIN CANTERA
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
Two days after national news media covering the disappearance of Elizabeth Smart raised questions about her uncle, Tom Smart, the Deseret News photographer proclaimed his innocence in the newspaper.
Saturday's News story was the second time the paper had identified Smart as the person who, it said, "the rumor mill has churned out . . . as the extended-family member authorities may be focusing on" in connection with 14-year-old Elizabeth's disappearance on June 5.
The Salt Lake Tribune and other Utah news media outlets did not print Smart's name until after he was mentioned by News columnist Lee Benson on Friday. However, NBC News has reported since Thursday that police had questions about Smart's polygraph test results.
"Between the lines, it's obviously me; I'm fine with that, because I know I didn't do it," said Smart in Saturday's copyright News story.
Smart has not returned calls from The Tribune seeking comment.
Elizabeth was apparently kidnapped from her bedroom early June 5 by an armed intruder. Her younger sister told police that the man threatened that Elizabeth would be harmed if she told anyone. Two hours later, police said, the scared girl told her parents. An 11-day search for the girl has turned up few clues and police have been unable to name a suspect or rule anyone out.
On Saturday, volunteers closed down a makeshift command center for the search, while family members urged civic groups to continue searching on their own. City police said no new leads had materialized, after a frantic police chase in Texas and New Mexico Friday in pursuit of a possible abduction witness turned up the wrong man.
Police convened an early-evening news conference to display what they said was an exact replica of the suspect's hat, a tan flatcap that police described as ''a golf-type cap." Detective Dwayne Baird said he did not know how investigators confirmed the type of hat or why it took 11 days since the abduction to do so.
"This is just one more piece to the puzzle," he said.
The Tribune had learned by Wednesday that a lie-detector test administered to Smart was inconclusive. Yet when The Tribune was the first to report that the police were investigating extended-family members, the newspaper did not name Smart.
Saturday's News article also refers to Smart's refusal to allow premiere FBI sketch artist Jeanne Boylan to come to Salt Lake City to create a likeness of the suspect. Boylan told The Tribune that Elizabeth Smart's father, Ed, has begged her to assist in the investigation.
But after learning of his brother's request, Tom Smart called Boylan and told her, "We have all the help we need," she said. The Smarts were alerted to Boylan -- who successfully sketched suspects in the Unabomber case, the Oklahoma City bombing and the abduction of Polly Klaas -- by Polly's father, Mark.
Boylan said Ed Smart called her twice to ask for help, saying, "Lois and I desperately want you to come to Salt Lake City to help us." She said she was willing to do so "because I was so moved" by his pleas.
But Boylan said she found Tom Smart's phone call to be "peculiar." In the News story, Tom Smart said the offer was rebuffed by the Smart family because Boylan is a contract employee of Fox-TV. Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse said Friday he was unaware that Ed Smart had asked Boylan for help.
Dinse added that there is not enough information from Elizabeth's 9-year-old little sister -- the only witness to the purported abduction -- to warrant a composite sketch.
"The family is the family," Dinse said. "They are going to do whatever they feel will help find Elizabeth. That's what everybody wants."
Meanwhile, the June 5 dispatch from the Salt Lake City police department -- called the "watchlog" -- reported that Elizabeth's parents called neighbors before they called police, even though their 9-year-old daughter had apparently just told them that a man with a gun had abducted her older sister.
Tom Smart was one of those called before law enforcement, according to Benson, who wrote in his column that Ed Smart called Tom at 3:30 a.m. Police say they were notified of the abduction at 4:01 a.m.
With all of the people searching inside and out of the house before police were notified, the crime scene may have been compromised, Salt Lake City Police Capt. Scott Atkinson acknowledged Friday.
"Anytime people enter a [crime] scene before the police, there is a chance that evidence is comprised," he said, adding that police have not eliminated anyone as a potential suspect.
"We are still looking at family -- all the uncles and other male members of the family," he said.
Tom Smart said in Saturday's News story that he believes he is being looked at because he has been so aggressive in trying to find his niece.
"I'm a very driven person when I'm passionate about something, and I could not be passionate about anything more than finding Elizabeth," Smart said. "Some people view that as psychotic, and that's fine. . . . That's irrelevant to me . . . and part of the reason it's irrelevant to me is because there's enough people around me who know me that know that I'm passionate."
Tribune Reporter Matt Canham contributed to this story.*****************************************************
This hopefully will clear up this post by Sherlock ..hopefully.
What Ed was saying is the police were telling him they didn't want Boylan, and Mark was telling Ed is was his decision, it was his daughter, and Ed decided to go with the request of the police. Remember how all the Conspiracy Crowd said at the time Uncle Smart made the decision. I told you all at the time it was the police's decision and Ed was deferring to it. Also Ed covered for the police by not coming out and saying it was them that didn't want her. Ed has been most noble through this entire saga and deserves much better than the attacks he has taken from the unlearned (not referring to you Cherry) on this thread.
557 posted on 8/29/02 12:29 AM Central by Sherlock
honestly, the indie movie "Brigham City"...has a lot to do with this case....I urge all to rent it...Albertsons has it now as does Hollywood...
It is a simple little movie made by a Mormon director about a Mormon community and it is very well done and it has a message about trust...
and it portrays the Mormon church in a very good way....
Ahhhh, seriously??
Cases ?
The people I SIDE with ?..I speak for myself.I have no control over other people and what they post, nor does anyone with me.
Unbelievable ? I do find the time line hard to believe..I grieve for the family, and I am smart enough to know that this case is complicated, and you or I or anyone else, has absolutely no facts. We all try to figure it out, but really it is futile at this point for me or you or anyone. I hear with my ears statements that don't make sense, and I question it. I read statements made, and I question it. That is what an eventual trial will do also...
The evidence gathered will be given to the jury..and they will deliberate with all the facts presented..right?...what this group of people , on this particular board are doing, is going over what we read and see...some are telling stories as THEY SEE IT...but those stories they think up, are not facts that have been given so far.
I believe as I did on day one, all by myself in my livingroom, that something just isn't right with this. I hope with all my heart that this case does not get cold. I grieve with all of them...but to my mind...something is very wrong with this whole thing. I don't know why you feel it "unbelievable", I am capable of standing alone if I have to on what I see or hear, Sherlock, I don't need someone to agree with me..and if I am wrong, I will be grateful that when all is said and done, justice is done. That is all we can hope for. Right?
It's a mystery to me. They claim to all be conservative. Believe me I haven't a clue what tweaked them.
You engage in an old liberal trick rather than discuss the issues. Whenever you don't have a clue how to respond to the issues, you ignore the issue and then do some name calling -- moron, not normal, mindless, etc.
I'll put up my conservative credentials up against yours anytime. I believe in the Ronald Reagan view of conservatism. He did not put down individuals like you do, but discussed the issues. I have not put down anyone on this board for their views.
I did wonder about the visciousness of the attacks here and wondered if this was normal for members of the Mormon Church. You helped me there when you told me you were not a Mormon. I now feel like the posters that have identified themselves as Mormons are not the norm for this religion. We just have some very rude members on this board that are not helping their cause at all. Utah Girl has been considerate of other people's feeling in her posts and I feel she is a credit to her religion.
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