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Smart Case, July 31, 2002
07/31/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/30/2002 10:14:47 PM PDT by Jolly Green

Time Line
04/01/01 Sunday Ricci burglarizes a Smart neighbor's home taking various items.
06/05/01 Tuesday Ricci steals items from the Smart home while he is employed there as a handyman. Ricci is charged in July of 2002 of 1 count of theft related to the Smart incident.
05/30/02 Thursday ~ Ricci returns to pick up his Jeep at the auto repair shop before the shop has a chance to fully fix it He tells the repairman that it needed for an emergency.
06/04/02 Tuesday ~ Ricci is at work from about 9am to 5:30pm
~ Ricci claims he spends the evening with friends
06/05/02 Wednesday ~ 1:05am - 2 cars are spotted on the SLC Shriner's Hospital Parking Lot by a hospital security guard, two blocks from the Smart residence
~ 1:30am (approx) - Elizabeth is kidnapped from her home
~ 1:30am - Ricci claims to be in bed asleep with his with wife.
~ Ricci is scheduled to be off work all day today.
~ 7:21am - Rachel/Amber alert is issued and national media is involved.
~ 8:30am - Ricci and his neighbor talk about the kidnapping of Elizabeth, Ricci seems to know too much information about it.
~ Sometime during this day Ricci is visited by police in regards to Elizabeth's kidnapping as reported by Angela Ricci (Richard A. Ricci's Wife which is an ex-convict herself)
~ Ricci is seen by his neighbor digging a hole by his (Ricci's) trailer early in the morning. (heard the neighbor say this on TV)
06/06/02 Thursday ~ Ricci is scheduled to work from 9am to 5:30pm today, but instead works from 10:30am to 7:00pm
~ Police talk to Ricci this day about the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. (The media is reporting this, so it could be wrong)
06/08/02 Saturday ~ Ricci returns the Jeep to the repair shop to get it fixed. The Jeep is muddy and the repair shop owner sees Ricci remove seat covers from the back of the jeep and place them into a plastic garbage bag that already contains other stuff in it. Also the repair shop owner said a muddy post hole digger was in the back of the Jeep, Ricci removes this also. Ricci has a man waiting across the street to give him a ride. Ricci takes the plastic bag and contents along with the post hole digger with him. Also there is 500 to 1000 extra miles on the Jeep since Ricci picked it up on May 30th, 2002.
06/14/02 Friday ~ Ricci is taken into custody for a parole violation, this being drinking while on parole and association with other ex-cons.
07/11/02 Thursday Formal charges are filed against Ricci (2 counts of theft & 1 count of burglary) on the theft & burglary of the Smart neighbors home which occurred in April 2001, and 1 more count of theft for stealing from the Smart home on June 6th, 2001.
Special thanks to Brigette for starting this timeline.


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To: spore-gasm
Yeah, I know. Seems incomprehensible -- but criminals are not the brightest lot, else they wouldn't get caught, and they often do stupid things. Also, criminals don't believe they will be caught -- if they were afraid of capture, they wouldn't do the crime, because they don't want to go to prison.

They don't learn from their mistakes -- I had one client tell me that returning to prison was "like Old Home Week", or a "high school reunion" because he knew everyone there.

They also lie about what they have done. I have never had a client tell me s/he was guilty, and every single one of them would maintain their innocence even in the face of incontrovertible evidence.
21 posted on 07/31/2002 8:13:41 AM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Bella
I believe this Detective is correct. It is the only thing that would make any sense.

I have spent some time today and yesterday on a Ex-Mormon 'Recovery' board. This group knows more that any non-Mormon would about the church and possible corruption at the higher levels. There are many of them that think that the Smart's sold their daughter.

Also, of interest, some of them mention that the LDS church is connected to Global Crossing, the recent scandal that rivals Enron. The claim is that the LDS owns Global.

I was curious as to where Ed Smart gets the funding for his mortgage loans. First National Mortgage, per David Smart, in an article, is Ed Smart's company. I wonder if the LDS church is funding the loans? Ed Smart is not listed as a mortgage Broker in Utah, in the licensed Brokers/Agents. That is odd.


22 posted on 07/31/2002 8:18:23 AM PDT by L84AD8
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To: Bella
Agree with FOX commentator. Ricci did not do this, sketch withheld from public because it was too revealing...crazy case, and I'm still not convinced that Elizabeth didn't go away willingly. Let's hope she's alive, enjoying life on the lam.
24 posted on 07/31/2002 8:45:21 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: L84AD8
Sometimes people who have had a bad personal experience with an idea or group are so supersensitive that they overreact and are primed to believe the most amazing atrocities about the thing which has caused them harm.

I will never believe that the family sold Elizabeth and believe that that kind of theorizing is irresponsible and counter-productive.
25 posted on 07/31/2002 9:06:14 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Neenah; JudyB1938; Iwo Jima; All

Thanks all of you...
for the Birthday Wishes!

I am still on my laptop and hopefully I will have my desktop computer back up today. I have been rearranging my home and moved my desktop computer and office into a bigger room. I have so much stuff that it takes forever to move everything! I need to buy me 2 bookshelves today (a birthday present for me from me!) so I have place to store my books.

Then hopefully I can drag the tired hubby off to Red Lobster for all you can eat Crab Legs. He may be too tired for the long trip. It is an hour drive just to get there. If we do not go tonight... we will go this weekend.
Thanks again everyone for the sweet Birthday Wishes!
God Bless all of you,
Brigette

26 posted on 07/31/2002 9:12:32 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: All
JUST A REMINDER...

Ed Smart will be on Larry King tonight.

27 posted on 07/31/2002 9:13:02 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
maybe we should make a list of questions that we would like Ed to answer and send them to Larry.
28 posted on 07/31/2002 9:20:45 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: L84AD8
Interesting thoughts. As one who has good insight into LDS funds and such your guess about the LDS Church funding his mortgages would not be correct or the ownership of Global Crossing.

My speculation is that they would not sell such a talented daughter but that someone (relative, neighbor or acquaintance) wanted to kidnap for ransom and it somehow went bad.
29 posted on 07/31/2002 9:22:26 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: All
On FOX News, they just said that Ricci is pleading Not Guilty to charges he faces today.
30 posted on 07/31/2002 9:26:33 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: spore-gasm
The police reported, and it is in transcripts, that IT WAS DARK and MK DIDN'T SEE HIS FACE, BUT she could see hair on hands, and describe clothing and height in the DARK.( This is all that was given to the public so far)

If...IF...MK and E knew the person, and recognised the voice..didn't scream, and E went quietly, put on shoes, and( NOT A FACT YET ) VISITED THE BATHROOM, with said person...then....

Would a sketch be needed?

Was MK able to visit with PD and Boylan alone?( I believe from the transcripts of Boylan and Couric, she stated that she met with the Smarts the night before, and got a feel of WHO Mary Catherine was, her habits, talents, etc.But she did not make it sound like the parents were with her and the child when she did her interview.)

I believe someone posted here in the early days of this running thread, that Mrs. Smart insisted on being present with MK when she was interviewed by police. right?

Have the police got this information ? Is that why Boylan wasn't caled in, in the beginning? Was the co-operation done so smoothly, because they were not afraid of this person?

Something to ponder only.

31 posted on 07/31/2002 9:40:40 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: spore-gasm
what's the physical description of Security Guard Trujillo

I've thought a number of times that the police should take a second look at Trujillo. I have no reason to doubt his story; he seems credible. However, he has known Ricci for years and provided info to the police that has been used--or at least we have cited here on FR (descriptions of the two cars and their drivers.) Here's my take on Trufillo. He's very, very intelligent and is greatly underemployed. He's as well-spoken and clear thinking as a professional whose public speech is part of their daily reponsibility. Yet, he was a security guard in a prison for many years and now works as a guard on the graveyard shift in a children's hospital. Not only has he known Ricci for years, he also fits the description of the kidnapper--medium height, dark hair, soft-spoken.

Several things have made me wonder about Trujillo: his intelligence and the way he described the driver of one of the cars he saw leaving the hospital parking lot the evening of ES's disappearance. He said that the driver was clean-shaven and had a head of dark, thick hair, the way a man might describe their own hair with pride.

I know nothing about this man and he has always seemed credible. But I've always hoped that the police were privately taking a second look at him, as I hope they have at everyone connected with this crime.

32 posted on 07/31/2002 9:42:53 AM PDT by twigs
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To: FR_addict
maybe we should make a list of questions that we would like Ed to answer and send them to Larry

I don't think Larry is used to handling hard questions any of us would ask !

33 posted on 07/31/2002 9:45:10 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Utah Girl
Hi, UG..has anybody in SLC seen a photograph of John Russell Remington? On the local news, perhaps?

It appears that the last time that he was released from prison, (1997?) he had a legitimate running business, to the eye, and funded by a now apparently defunct financial institution. It's amazing that an ex-con gets financial backing to start his own business and still can't get his act together.

34 posted on 07/31/2002 9:45:14 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: L84AD8
I have spent some time today and yesterday on a Ex-Mormon 'Recovery' board. This group knows more that any non-Mormon would about the church and possible corruption at the higher levels. There are many of them that think that the Smart's sold their daughter.

Do you think it's possible they sold her? Why would they sell her and why would they deliberately mislead the authorities, I'm sure they realize they would face prosecution?

Also, of interest, some of them mention that the LDS church is connected to Global Crossing, the recent scandal that rivals Enron. The claim is that the LDS owns Global.

Interesting. Anyone have time to check this out?, or, does anyone known on this board know anything about this?

I was curious as to where Ed Smart gets the funding for his mortgage loans. First National Mortgage, per David Smart, in an article, is Ed Smart's company. I wonder if the LDS church is funding the loans? Ed Smart is not listed as a mortgage Broker in Utah, in the licensed Brokers/Agents. That is odd.

A fellow freeper sent this to me & wondered why Zeke Demke's name isn't listed also--

RIVER'S END, L.C. Limited Liability Company Salt Lake City UT Active

Business Name: RIVER'S END, L.C.
License Number: 4910295-0160
Registration Date: 4/18/2001
State of Origin:

Address

2159 S 700 E

Salt Lake City UT 84106
Status

Status: Active
Status Description: License Issuance
This Status Date:4/18/2001
Last Renewed: 4/18/2002
License Type: LLC - Domestic
Expiration Date: 4/18/2003

Registered Agent

Registered Agent: THOMAS S SMART
Address Line 1:2159 S 700 E
Address Line 2:
City:Salt Lake City
State:UT
Zip:84106

Additional Information

SIC Title: 9999-NONCLASSIFIABLE ESTABLISHMENTS

35 posted on 07/31/2002 9:48:28 AM PDT by Bella
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To: All
David K Smith (Ricci's Lawyer) was just on the phone with Fox News, he said that police have not talked to Ricci in about 6 weeks. Is this strange or what?
36 posted on 07/31/2002 9:49:40 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: All
BTW... "Allen" is the name of the people who's house was burglarized by Ricci and who are also neighbors of the Smart family.
37 posted on 07/31/2002 9:51:40 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
6 weeks ago would make that about the time that RR was arrested on the 14th of June. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry?

By the way, Happy Birthday!

38 posted on 07/31/2002 9:59:35 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: FR_addict
I do not know if anyone ever contacted the IS guys back here. I will find out and let y'all know.

The polygamists will call themselves Mormon fundamentalists, that the LDS church is out of step with true revelation. Within Utah, yeah, we know that there are sects of polygamists, but when they go on national TV and call themselves Mormon fundamentalists, that is where the confusion sets in outside of Utah. They'll have varying official names of their sects, etc. And there are many sects, all with different names, because each head of the sect has received his own revelation about polygamy. It can get very convoluted.

39 posted on 07/31/2002 10:15:05 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Neenah
I don't think Larry is used to handling hard questions any of us would ask !

You're probably right, but I would still like to get a list of questions for Ed to answer:

1. Were Elizabeth's grades declining in the last few weeks?
2. Who recommended Ricci to you?
3. Why was the family late to the school on the night she disappeared?
4. Was Elizabeth upset she missed her harp performance?
5. Since you knew that Ricci may have stolen from you, why were you defending him in the beginning?
6. Why didn't you let the sketch artist talk to MK if there was any chance it could have helped identify the kidnapper?
etc...
I'll probably hear from some people on the board with answers to these questions, but I would like to hear it from Ed.

40 posted on 07/31/2002 10:31:25 AM PDT by FR_addict
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