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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Not too far from me either, here in the Ocean State.

We're only an hour from Providence! I have an aunt and uncle who live there.

32,181 posted on 10/09/2002 1:49:03 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Not a break per se...more like a permanent vacation. I just can't stand inane quibbling like that.

*Looks around the Hobbit Hole*

Nice place you've got here...I'd like to put in an application for permanent residency...
32,182 posted on 10/09/2002 1:49:32 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Not too far from me either, here in the Ocean State.

Oops! I spoke too soon, didn't I? Whereabouts in RI do you folks live? I spent some time in Wakefield and Warwick during high school. Still miss the ocean...sigh!

32,183 posted on 10/09/2002 1:50:32 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: SuziQ
I would go, but I will not hike!

Man has been trying to find improved ways of traveling since the first road was made, and I will not mock their efforts by walking when I can ride!

Bay and I will perhaps carry the lunches...

32,184 posted on 10/09/2002 1:50:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
I think you and I are the only hobbitty FR people from New England.

Our daughter is a Tolkien geek, too! She loves reading the Hobbit Hole! I usually have to chase her off my computer when I want to catch up in the evenings. During the day she's doing her homeschool thing, but she'll sneak on sometimes at lunchtime!

32,185 posted on 10/09/2002 1:51:39 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RosieCotton; Wordsmith; SuziQ
There's a guy named "Wordsmith" in NH who used to hang out here. He's a nice guy with a nice looking family, just nice, yeah nice. ;^)
32,186 posted on 10/09/2002 1:52:32 PM PDT by ksen
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To: RMDupree
Have a good evening RM! - See ya tomorrow!
32,187 posted on 10/09/2002 1:53:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Boy do I wish I were in the picture in post 1. It looks like heaven to me.
32,188 posted on 10/09/2002 1:53:57 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: RosieCotton
We live down in Charlestown..."Down South County way..." as the locals would say.
32,189 posted on 10/09/2002 1:54:00 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: SuziQ; RosieCotton
And JenB in Pennsylvania! - Don't forget her.
32,190 posted on 10/09/2002 1:54:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: SuziQ
Our daughter is a Tolkien geek, too! She loves reading the Hobbit Hole!

My younger siblings (also homeschooled) are WAY into LOTR - drives my Dad nuts, as I've said before! I occasionally show them some posts here at the Hole.

32,191 posted on 10/09/2002 1:54:36 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: SuziQ; RosieCotton; Overtaxed
Our daughter is a Tolkien geek, too! She loves reading the Hobbit Hole!

Tell her to say "hello" when she is here so Rosie and OT can behave themselves....

32,192 posted on 10/09/2002 1:55:44 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
I would go, but I will not hike!

I think Bay would find it tough going! The Flume is a gorge created by the movement of the glaciers through here a few years ago. You can hike up to the trailhead or take a quick bus ride. From there you go up a trail to the gorge. There are steps built onto the sides of the gorge, and you go up those steps alongside the waterfalls. When you reach the top of the steps, you follow the trail up to the highest point from which you can see some of the mountains around the area, then it's back down the trail to the Main building. The whole hike takes about 2 hours if you're just walking and not stopping. We are usually there at least 3 hours because we stop to look at the falls, the trees, the deep pool, the overlooks, to rest, etc. You don't need any special hiking equipment. We usually just wear our sneakers; something to keep from slipping on damp steps, etc.

32,193 posted on 10/09/2002 1:57:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RosieCotton; SuziQ; HairOfTheDog; .30Carbine
Isn't .30carbine a member of our Yahoo E-Group? If so, he is from VT.
32,194 posted on 10/09/2002 1:58:26 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
And JenB in Pennsylvania! - Don't forget her.

Well...she's SORT of Northeastern..that's not New England, though...

32,195 posted on 10/09/2002 1:58:29 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
so Rosie and OT can behave themselves....

Hey! Speak for yourself!

How many times have you engaged in spam-sneak attacks today? Hmm?

32,196 posted on 10/09/2002 1:59:59 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Hi there! Glad you could make it....

I think this hobbit hole is available... In good condition

The garden verge could use a trimming, but I think the neighbors would be happy to help if you buy the beer!


32,197 posted on 10/09/2002 2:00:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
Tell her to say "hello" when she is here so Rosie and OT can behave themselves....

Nah, y'all are fine. She's seen a lot stranger things on the anime sites on which she chats, though, thankfully, they are not bad either!

32,198 posted on 10/09/2002 2:00:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
I wants it...
32,199 posted on 10/09/2002 2:00:59 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
You're welcome, everyone's glad you're here.
32,200 posted on 10/09/2002 2:02:37 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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