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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
For the two of mine that have lost teeth already I must have pulled at least ten of them.

I'm gonna FAINT!!

29,281 posted on 10/02/2002 9:45:11 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Sam Cree; ksen
So the Rangers protecting the Shire was just a part of an overall Middle-Earth protection system?

I don't think it was just the Shire they were protecting....they were also protecting Bree-country. I have the impression that since the Rangers were descended from the folks of the northern kingdom that they were just there still protecting the kingdom. How about this? They gave the Shire special protection because Gandalf suspected the ring might be the One but at least knew that it was a ring of power.

29,282 posted on 10/02/2002 9:46:10 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree; 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands
I haven't gotten to that stage yet with my eldest (she's 5), so I have no idea what to do.

If dad is around have him do it. Here's what I would do:

Grab tooth with Kleenex right up by the gums. Say, "Okay honey, I am going to pull on the count of three." One......Two (yank!)....Three!

Worked like a charm.

29,283 posted on 10/02/2002 9:46:11 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Sam Cree; g'nad; rightwingreligiousfanatic
I think it was the dwarves in Boca that voted for Buchanan by mistake.

Excuse me?


29,284 posted on 10/02/2002 9:47:18 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm gonna FAINT!!

You better fetch your medicine before reading #29283.....

29,285 posted on 10/02/2002 9:49:08 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Sam Cree
LOL! Now Sam, you know that the dwarves are smarter than that.

Hard headed they may be, but certainly no other race upon Middle Earth looks out for their own self-interest more than they do. I cannot see how they would be careless with something as important as that.

Dwarves do not want anyone in office who would meddle with their personal affairs or impose regulations on thier precious mountains.

Orcs on the other hand are mindless, drooling fools whose brains would indeed be challenged by a butterfly ballot.

29,286 posted on 10/02/2002 9:50:38 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Makes sense about dwarves voting for Buchanan. We should thank the Elves that voted for Nader for electing W. as President. ;^)
29,287 posted on 10/02/2002 9:50:39 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands

I came as soon as I could....

29,288 posted on 10/02/2002 9:51:59 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen
I'll let Daddy take care of it.

Ugh! I accidently cut my youngest's finger when clipping her nails (she's 3 months old). The blood and her screams had me seeing stars, but I kept it together long enough to get her to the doctor and then to the emergency room. All she needed was a big gauze bandage.

I will never use clippers on her again! All the nurses told me to use a soft nail file. That's what I will use from now on.

I should have known better from the start, but I had clipped them several times already with no incident and felt sure nothing would happen. Until she learned how to yank her arm back, that is.

29,289 posted on 10/02/2002 9:54:55 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: ksen
We should thank the Elves that voted for Nader...

Yes, but most of 'em probably voted for the other tree...

29,290 posted on 10/02/2002 9:56:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RMDupree; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; rightwingreligiousfanatic
Hard headed they[Dwarves] may be, but certainly no other race upon Middle Earth looks out for their own self-interest more than they do.


24th Century Dwarves?

29,291 posted on 10/02/2002 9:58:01 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
24th Century Dwarves?

Turncoat.

29,292 posted on 10/02/2002 9:58:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,293 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:53 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,294 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:53 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,295 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:54 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,296 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:54 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,297 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:56 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,298 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:56 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Right Wing Spam Sneak
29,299 posted on 10/02/2002 10:00:57 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
mine
29,300 posted on 10/02/2002 10:01:33 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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