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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
sneak...
29,201 posted on 10/02/2002 8:36:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
sneak...
29,202 posted on 10/02/2002 8:36:55 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RMDupree
Sorry, I got distracted by this shiny thing. But I'd love some mushrooms.
29,203 posted on 10/02/2002 8:37:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I boycotted "The Grinch" out of respect to the original animated special. :)

Jim Carrey bugs me now, but I liked his early stuff, "The Mask" for instance. And, I thought he was great in "The Truman Story".
29,204 posted on 10/02/2002 8:37:59 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thanks for the warm welcome, Bear. :)

I'm not sure if you would like some of these mushrooms with second breakfast. Perhaps I can prepare them in an omelet for you?

29,205 posted on 10/02/2002 8:38:30 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Just one?

I had to be able to drive well enough to miss the deer on the way home.

29,206 posted on 10/02/2002 8:39:38 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree
Hullo and welcome! Did you have elevenses yet? Musn't forget that!
29,207 posted on 10/02/2002 8:40:46 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I boycotted "The Grinch" out of respect to the original animated special.

I was concerned about that as well. But I think they did a really good job with it.

29,208 posted on 10/02/2002 8:40:57 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RMDupree
Mushrooms? Mmmmmmm grilled, marinated, portabello caps.
29,209 posted on 10/02/2002 8:41:23 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Were the deer dressed?
29,210 posted on 10/02/2002 8:41:30 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
Mushrooms? Mmmmmmm grilled, marinated, portabello caps.

We voted you mushroom cook for Entmoot, right?

Actually, I wondered what your recipe was. I'd like to try making 'em...

29,211 posted on 10/02/2002 8:42:58 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Hi Rosie!

Missed elevenses as well. *sigh*

But I managed to get these mushrooms for lunch. Would you like some?

How is Samwise? I hear he's gone off somewhere....

29,212 posted on 10/02/2002 8:44:50 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Thank you, but I'm not as big a fan of mushrooms as the Hobbits are. :) But an omelette now... mmmm, some ham mixed in, a touch of picante sauce for flavor, cheese on top, sausage and toast on the side..... mmmmmmm....

Pardon me, I'll be back in a few minutes! :)
29,213 posted on 10/02/2002 8:45:19 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RMDupree; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic
Good morning to you RMDupree! Welcome to our comfy little home away from home.

Here is a question for you:

When speaking about Elves is it better to: A) Bash them whenever you can, or B)Not bash them?
29,214 posted on 10/02/2002 8:46:04 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Were the deer dressed?

Ha! Smart aleck dwarf...

We're eating deer tonight. One of the people at work gave me a bunch of venison (mostly burger), so I'm making Bambi Chili for dinner. Should be good. And we have that cider, too...does cider go with chili? Oh well...we'll MAKE it go with it!

29,215 posted on 10/02/2002 8:46:21 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Mushroom cook for Entmoot?

hoom, hoom

Overtaxed gets my vote to prepare these lovely mushrooms for us then. Watch him though - to be sure some get into other plates besides his! *wink*

29,216 posted on 10/02/2002 8:47:06 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
thought he was great in "The Truman Story"

Duh, it was "The Truman Show", wasn't it?

29,217 posted on 10/02/2002 8:47:16 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
Naw....they were au naturel.
29,218 posted on 10/02/2002 8:48:54 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree
But I managed to get these mushrooms for lunch. Would you like some?

Sure, I'd love some!

How is Samwise? I hear he's gone off somewhere....

He ran off on some harebrained adventure with Mr. Frodo. When he gets back, I'm giving him a piece of my mind...but I imagine his Gaffer will put him in his place.

29,219 posted on 10/02/2002 8:50:10 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree
Umm....hers actually.
29,220 posted on 10/02/2002 8:50:19 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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