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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom; SuziQ
No more Sesame Street potty seat in the bathroom, for the first time in years.

Yeah, I definitely know that feeling, I was always a little sad, but also proud, when the kids moved on to another stage...

Now they're both away at college, we miss them so. But I find the increased time spent with my wife to be wonderful in its own way, we've been lucky.

We found a litter of abandoned hound dog puppies in the woods in Virginia last summer, took one home with us (named it Fiona McCool, after the legendary Irish warrior) to Florida, my wife thought it would be nice to have a baby in the house again.

'Course it chewed a couple sizable holes in the living room couch, which the kids never did as babies...a very sweet animal, though.

28,181 posted on 09/28/2002 11:57:27 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
I don't mind them being irritable, but why rain on my parade? LOL

Grumble, grumble, grumble.....are you one of those people who have to force their cheerfulness on the rest of us? :)

28,182 posted on 09/28/2002 11:58:21 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
LOL! Yep! Have you ever seen that Kibbles and Bits commercial with the little fox terrier and the English bulldog walking down the street and the fox terrier is bounding over the bulldog as they walk? Actually bounces off the back of the bulldog? Well, that's a perfect picture of Steve and I! Ha ha!

Sometimes I'll be really cheerful and he's really grumpy and I will suddenly turn to him (all smiles) and say "I'm really cheerful right now...if that changes, you'll regret it."

Usually he cheers up pretty quick.
28,183 posted on 09/28/2002 12:08:52 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hehehe....If Mom ain't happy....

That dog bit is like the Warner Brothers cartoon with the bulldog and terrier (Chester and Spike?).

28,184 posted on 09/28/2002 12:12:50 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm watching the UNC Ga. Tech game right now with the radio up and the TV volume down. The Ga. Tech QB is Bilbo so I'm over here going "Sack Bilbo!" If I weren't watching it on TV, I'd be seeing hobbits playing football in my mind's eye.
28,185 posted on 09/28/2002 1:17:05 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I just came in from scooping up the dirt mounds that the gophers push up. Some were huge, took several bucketfuls to haul it off. I pour the dirt next to the fence where our neighbor's dog dug holes to fill them in. It's looking good!
28,186 posted on 09/28/2002 1:28:19 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
We're talking about redoing the bathroom. It's revolting. It is painted the color of lime sherbet...cabinets and all. And it has this dark emerald green carpet. I don't like having carpet, especially living with three guys!

I want a nice linoleum floor with a pretty blue pattern on it and the walls and cabinets painted a normal "antique white" color! Either way, the carpet is very likely going to "go" tomorrow.

I used the green color in the bathroom to good advantage however. I decorated it in "peas". ROFLOL!!!
28,187 posted on 09/28/2002 1:44:36 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Sam Cree
Yeah, I definitely know that feeling, I was always a little sad, but also proud, when the kids moved on to another stage...

I have a picture of our #2 son sitting on his potty chair with a crocheted toilet paper cover on his head like a hat!! My Mama always loved that puctire because she's the one who made the cover; it was my 'Christmas' one in red, green and white yarn!

28,188 posted on 09/28/2002 1:54:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sam Cree
HI Sam, whazzup!? Just retrieved our daughter from the town common where she was selling hot dogs and doing face painting with her Girl Scout troop. Our town is celebrating its 275th birthday this year. There is a big parade tomorrow, and both our daughter and son will be in it with their Scout troops.

It is a gorgeous weekend here; the heavy rain came through last night and the day has been sunny and windy. Tomorrow is supposed to be sunny and cooler, which will be great because the parade goes two miles straight down Main St. from the middle school to Dean Park, and if it were hot it would be unbearable!

28,189 posted on 09/28/2002 1:58:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
I was weeding around the lettuce and turnips today. The deer have eaten the blackeyed peas to the nubs and are starting on the peanuts.

Let's see.....I need to redo the bathroom (at least I don't have carpet to pull up), the bedroom, replace the deck with a screen porch (with a pet door for Her Majesty), landscape the entrance with a hobbit perennial garden....I'm too exhausted to do anything! But I have time for whistling. Gave my Meg a workout during the first half of the game.

28,190 posted on 09/28/2002 2:22:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
We're having nice weather.

Working on a charcoal self portrait at the moment, which is our homework every week from the figure drawing class I take at the community college here. Considering putting my image in a "I'm the NRA" T-shirt to see what reaction from the liberal professor, though I like her.

That's a very old town you live in, I guess Miami's 100, but barely. I'm supposing it may not be a huge town if the kids can sell hot dogs on the town common. Don't think southern towns have "commons."

My son was a scout too, did well there.

To tell you the truth, I was very relieved when the kids were toilet trained, I may not have missed diapers and stuff too much. I do miss Christmas in the old days, though, when the kids' grandparents were still alive.

Are the leaves turning where you live? It'll be fun to see the kids in the parade tomorrow. I guess all the town equipment, like fire trucks and stuff, will be in it too.
28,191 posted on 09/28/2002 2:22:44 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
Hi, all. Lousy afternoon here. I have an absolutely blistering headache brought on by too much noise, lack of sleep, and responsibilty. I took two aspirin an hour ago and they've had no effect; it's actually getting worse. 2J, you're a nurse, right? What can I take so soon after aspirin? I have ibuprofin, tylenol, and acetominiphine with codeine.

And no good telling me to lie down - my sisters are off babysitting which means I have to watch the brothers or they'll eat poison and die.

28,192 posted on 09/28/2002 2:50:54 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Don't take the codiene if you want to keep your senses about you. Best thing to take is the Tylenol.
28,193 posted on 09/28/2002 3:00:38 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Ok, thanks. I appreciate it. Hopefully I'll feel better soon!

Things are a little better now - we turned on our "Jonah" preview video. It's actually pretty good and I'm looking forward to seeing the real thing. I do like VeggieTales... last spring, in a history class, one of my friends asked me and our other partner if we had ever heard of VeggieTales and was horrified when the two of us broke out in "The Waterbuffalo Song". But it's so silly. One of the few things my whole family likes. (The others are Star Trek, Harry Potter, and Third Day music. We're kinda odd...)

28,194 posted on 09/28/2002 3:05:38 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
We're wild about VT! Can't wait till October 4th! We also all love the Adventures in Odyssey tapes and videos. Our favorite is Baby Daze. Teaches the value of life.

We're off to Lowes now to look at flooring. I've had it with this green carpet! LOL

28,195 posted on 09/28/2002 3:09:05 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I don't like Odyssey - too close to that old "let's show children doing lots of things wrong and being sorry in the last five minutes, so it's ok" formula. Same problem with most "Christian" kids' books. VeggieTales has more in common with, well, Winnie the Pooh than Focus on the Family stuff - and that's a good thing.

Have fun shopping!

28,196 posted on 09/28/2002 3:12:46 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Oh my, Saturday evening sneaks...
28,197 posted on 09/28/2002 4:07:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Should I?
28,198 posted on 09/28/2002 4:07:36 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Shouldn't I?
28,199 posted on 09/28/2002 4:07:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mine!
28,200 posted on 09/28/2002 4:08:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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