Posted on 09/04/2026 10:19:04 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
The following is the full question I asked:
"In his book "A letter on the abolition of the slave trade", why did William Wilberforce defend abolitionists, though not excuse abolitionists, who decided to continue personal slave ownership through their fight for abolition? Why did he insist this is not a form of hypocrisy?"
Response:
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We can destroy The 1619 Project, we just have to start reading the history of abolitionism.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/63974
A Letter on the Abolition of the Slave Trade by William Wilberforce (1807) {Full text of this work is free and open source in the public domain}
Pages 256 to 261
Chapter title: “Abolitionists vindicated for not emancipating”
Full content of this chapter:
And here, perhaps, it may be right to answer a strange objection, which our opponents, at a loss, surely, for sound arguments, have urged against us. I may be able also at once to vindicate the Abolitionists from two opposite charges, which have been brought against them. One class of their opponents, 257in spite of repeated and most positive assurances to the contrary, have imputed to them the design of immediately emancipating the Slaves. Can it be necessary to declare, that the Abolitionists are full as much as any other men convinced, that insanity alone could dictate such a project. On the other hand, by another class of opponents, they have been charged with being unfaithful to their own principles, in not immediately emancipating the Slaves already in the islands, as well as immediately putting a stop to our ravages in Africa. Sometimes it has been argued, that we ourselves prove by our conduct in this instance, that the laws of justice must occasionally concede somewhat to considerations of expediency. That therefore they do but extend a little further than we, the limits of that concession, when they propose that the Slave Trade itself, with all its horrors, should be suffered to continue.
It scarcely would be requisite to expose the sophistry of this argument, if it had not sometimes proceeded from men of understanding, whose use of it however can only be accounted for by the supposition, that they are utterly unacquainted with the circumstances of the case.
258Supposing they were themselves to discover an unfortunate human being, who, by long imprisonment and severe treatment, had been driven into a state of utter madness; would either justice or humanity prompt them to grant at once to this unfortunate man the unconstrained enjoyment of his natural liberty? On the contrary, would not these principles rather inculcate the duty of endeavouring by proper medical regimen, by salutary restraint, and if necessary even by the harsher expedient of wholesome discipline, to restore him to his senses, and qualify him for that freedom which he might afterwards enjoy?
The West Indian Slaves are in a state which calls for a course of treatment founded on similar principles. It would be the grossest violation and the merest mockery of justice and humanity, to emancipate them at once, in their present unhappy condition. God forbid (with most serious reverence I use the expression) that we should not desire to impart to the Negro Slaves the blessings of freedom. No man, I believe, estimates liberty more highly, or loves it better, than myself. True liberty, of course, I mean, the child of reason and law, the parent of order and happiness; such liberty, as that, of which they 259must be dull indeed who do not understand the nature and feel the value, who have lived in the enjoyment of the blessings which it dispenses under the form of a British Constitution; while they have beheld also its perfect contrast, both in nature and effects, in the wild licentiousness of a neighbouring kingdom.
It is indeed a “plant of celestial growth,” but the soil and climate must be prepared for its reception, or it will not bring forth its proper fruits. These are fruits, alas! which our poor degraded Negro Slaves are as yet incapable of enjoying. To grant it to them immediately, would be to insure not only their masters ruin, but their own. A certain previous course of discipline is necessary. They must be trained and educated for this most perfect state of manly maturity; and, by a singular felicity of coincidence, the stoppage of all further importations from Africa, with all the consequences which it introduces in its train, is the very shortest and safest path by which the Slaves can travel to the enjoyment of true liberty.
Other objections to Abolition.
Besides the great argument urged by the opponents of the abolition, that of not being able to maintain their stock of Slaves at its 260present number and force, without importation from Africa, a position which, I trust, has been now most satisfactorily refuted by decisive appeals both to speculation and experience; other allegations also were made concerning the injurious consequences of the abolition, and of these it may now be proper to take a brief review.
It should however be borne in mind, that they all depend on the determination of the great question concerning the keeping up of the population, except so far only as the African Slave Trade is in question; and, with the exception before made, of persons connected with places whence this bloody traffic is carried on (now, to the honour of the kingdom, but two, London and Liverpool), none have been found such steady advocates for the Slave Trade, as to contend for its continuance merely for it’s own sake.
The opponents of abolition, and especially some of our great colonial antagonists, have confidently stated, that our measure would effect the speedy destruction of our West Indian colonies; and that in consequence of the loss of national capital which we should sustain, and from our no longer importing the productions of our Western colonies, the abolition 261would bring down utter ruin on the commercial, manufacturing, maritime, and financial interests of the empire.
I just destroyed your “hypocrisy” card. It done wok no mo.
Enjoy your meal.
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Why? Because he was wrong.
No you didn't. You just proved Wilberforce was an idiot about that.
“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.”
John 8:7
Washington wanted to free his slaves. Laws forbid educating slaves, slaves viewed education as another chore, and he never succeeded, he left that to his descendants.
It goes like this: if I can find one tiny thing wrong in the other person or other group and magnify that, it makes their entire argument invalid. In this case, if one person owns a slave then the entire argument for abolition is invalid.
Nope. If anything it proves the temptation for owning a slave was great. If even the people who push for abolition are tempted to own a slave then that means it should be outlawed. So the straw man argument "but, but, he owned a slave too" was a logical fallacy.
Do not let perfection stand in the way of progress.
I really enjoyed the 2006 movie “Amazing Grace,” about the end of the slave trade in England. (We beat the Brits to ending the slave trade. We did this by providing for the end of the slave trade in our Constitution.)
I found the scene in which Wilburforce visited his dying friend William Pitt the younger to be especially touching.
I am looking forward to the movie’s obvious sequel concerning the end of slavery the British Commonwealth in 1833. (They beat us to ending slavery, and they ended slavery in a greatly superior manner, through compensated emancipation as opposed to a civil war. Nevertheless, they wound up with problems.)
1829 -- British West Africa Squadron
HMS Black Joke (left) anti-slave trade:
ProgressingAmerica: "I just destroyed your “hypocrisy” card.
It done wok no mo."
FLT-bird: "No you didn't.
You just proved Wilberforce was an idiot about that."
Just to be clear, William Wilberforce is history's leading abolitionist -- successful earlier & greater than any others you can name.
His legislation abolishing slavery in the British Empire freed some 800,000 slaves directly and helped free millions more indirectly through abolition of the slave trade and Britain's influence on other slaveholding countries.
So, if you want to call Wilberforce a "hypocrite" or "idiot", then you are just a pipsqueak mouse squealing at an elephant doing heavy work, claiming the elephant is not working hard enough to suit your sorry self.
Moravians did the same. Condemn slavery while having slaves.
Ah, Ye Olde appeal to authority logical fallacy. Wilberforce was prominent in the antislavery movement and has a great reputation. Therefore he is an authority. Therefore he cannot be wrong about anything.
Fail.
You misunderstand what a strawman argument is. A strawman argument is when you attribute a statement or position to your opponent which he does not hold or which he did not say......then proceed to argue against that pretend position or statement you falsely attributed to him.
I did no such thing. I merely said Wilberforce was wrong in his opinion that one could be an abolitionist while at the same time owning slaves.....as well as his claim that this was not hypocrisy. It clearly was hypocrisy.
People can discover moral problems with lives of greats like William Wilberforce when they present a two-dimensional picture of history and thereby exalt their purity in our current time. Correctly understood history is a three-dimensional gallery with many paintings showing people living into and through events.
A mouse with two tails! :)
Nobody’s “exalting purity”.
Claiming to be an abolitionist while at the same time owning slaves is blatantly hypocritical. Its not hard to understand. Walk the Walk if you’re going to talk the talk.
I remember reading in Flexner’s history that his own slaves had intermarried with those of a neighbor for which he was trustee. The man or woman would have been free, but the spouse still a slave.
Wow. ——Shaking my head—— You desperately need this:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4351952/posts
New audiobook release: An Appeal to the Inhabitants of the British Empire, by William Wilberforce
And when “A Letter on the Abolition of the Slave Trade by William Wilberforce” is finished you will need it too.
I am 100% sure you will not want it and probably refuse it, but you do genuinely need it. You could be reading it now, why wait for the audio to finish? Probably refusing reading too.
It is more of a “bad faith” argument moreso than a “strawman”.
It would be a “fair faith” argument to say that a slave owner who then turned into an abolitionist prior to manumissions is morally compromised. Or, its a moral hazard. Etc etc.
Thomas Jefferson fits into this category. He inherited his slaves and also inherited a massive ton of debt which did literally trap him considering the British Empire’s laws. There is no record that I am aware of of Thomas Jefferson starting at zero and going over to slave auctions to purchase 600 slaves individually or in clusters. That is not how it happened. It was an inheritance(and a marriage). Cassius M. Clay also fits here.
Jefferson and Clay spent decades fighting against slavery. It is not then a hypocrisy to fight slavery - that is a bad faith label by someone who is simply a hater and a venom spitter. The venom spitter is not trying to be genuine to the history at the time, they are laboring under issues of presentism. Judging history by the morals of today.
Wilberforce’s chapter is so valuable because it utterly obliterates the presentism stance and gives an insight as to what the view of the world was in 1807. The fact is, abolitionists wanted all of the genuine support they could receive - even if the support came from current slave owners.
Its no wonder then that Wilberforce never called Jefferson a racist - Jefferson always sided legislatively with abolitionism. So in Wilberforce’s eyes(if he even looked at Jefferson at all) Jefferson was being 100% entirely consistent.
Jefferson never sided with slavery. Ever. All Jefferson legislation was abolition. He “simply” owned slaves, against his will via inheritance. And at that also British colonial common laws. And also crown vetoes. That would be true for the Abolitionist Founding Fathers, such as John Jay, John Dickinson, and many others. Benjamin Franklin. Most of them got their slaves through inheritance and extra new slave purchases were minimal.
And above all else:
If you only took any one thing from this post, please take this:
Look at how Wilberforce is helping us decimate The 1619 Project. Just look at how beautiful it is.
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