NOBODY likes war..but if its a war that no one likes, they at least want to see RESULTS, which is what was happening before Trump decided to stop back in April, you dont quit when you are at the 30 yard line, you finish the job. With Bush, he wanted to fight forever, with Trump, he quit too quickly..and I think it was Vance who told him to stop, how do I know, because Trump pretty much let it slip, I think a little over a month ago Trump said “If the cease fire doesnt work out its JD’s fault” and he laughed, he pretty much said what happened without saying what happened
If history is any guide here, what will happen is that the U.S. government will piss away thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars moving the hall down the field … only to tell us all 18 months from now that the field is actually 800 yards long.
Trump is trying to save as much of the infrastructure as he can for the Iranian people.
He keeps giving the regime the chance to leave and save themselves and leave the country relatively intact. But, they are insane fanatics.
Also, when the Iranian people have their country back, guess who will be one of the biggest contributors for rebuilding Iran.
So the less we tear up now is less money we will have to spend later.
He said if it worked he was taking credit for it and if it failed he was blaming J.D......
EXACTLY. Many people wonder if Trump delibertely set Vance up to fail. I don't think Trump is that crafty, but the results do show how the ceasefire failed. And rightly or wrongly - Many FReepers are blaming JD as they throw him under the bus.
“Trump said “If the cease fire doesnt work out its JD’s fault” and he laughed, he pretty much said what happened without saying what happened”
We once had a President Harry Truman who had a sign on his desk that said “the buck stops here”. Truman took ownership of his unpopular decisions, including being the only US president to approve the use of nuclear weapons against a civilian population. Donald Trump in contrast constantly praises himself, derides those who disagree with him and denies accountability for his own poor decisions.
It was Trump’s decision to go to war with Iran without following the Constitution’s requirement that only Congress can declare war. He is the Commander in Chief in his role as President so the conduct of the war, declared properly or not, is 100% his responsibility. He claimed publicly multiple times Iran has been defeated, yet we know it is not.
The Vietnam, Afghanistan and Ukraine wars have proven a much weaker nation with determination can outlast a much stronger power for years, and in the case of both Vietnam and Afghanistan more than a decade, before the “superior” military power withdraws. Iran today seems to be following the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Ukraine playbooks, an outcome Mr. Trump doesn’t appear to haven considered before making his unilateral decision to go to war.
So the president who ran on a platform of no more forever wars is in the middle of one as a consequence of the decision he made. . The man who said the Iran War he started would be over in weeks is now months into the war, the world petroleum supply chain is in shambles, the world economy is teetering on the brink of collapse, the US strategic petroleum reserve and US military stockpiles are severely depleted, and by his own words Mr. Trump seems ready to blame his Vice President for the failure of his own poor decisions.
If Donald Trump expects the respect and the support of the American people he needs to man up and speak the obvious truth that this war will take considerable time and investment to win. In addition he needs to tell the American people why he is prosecuting the war and consequence of not winning this conflict.
Too many American’s remember our country engaging in a war in Vietnam, that killed over 50,000 American soldiers. The rationale for that war was to prevent Vietnam from being united under communist control. The claim at the time was if South Vietnam fell to the communist North, all of Southeast Asia, and possibly Australia, would be conquered by Communists. In reality, the United States withdrew from the war without victory, Vietnam became a communist country. The rest of Southeast Asia did not fall to communism, and today communist Vietnam is a strong trading partner with the United States. Over 50,000 Americans killed and 200,000 Americans wounded for no valid reason.
The people of the United States do not support the war with Iran. What support the president’s war policies have is eroding every day Iran survives and continues to fight back. The negative economic consequences of the war are just beginning to be felt domestically and will be hurting many American households when voters go to the polls in the fall. Trump has only a few weeks to make an effective case for the coming hardship people will be facing when they go to the polls. Blaming JD Vance isn’t going to be accepted as an excuse for failure by rational voters.