Posted on 07/17/2026 7:55:38 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
The potential spread of massive water and electricity-consuming data centers into Florida has sparked fierce opposition from thousands of residents and drawn dividing lines between its most powerful politicians.
But, experts say, the projects popping up in Miami-Dade are unlike those that grab headlines for fouling drinking water and driving up power bills — for now. The best example yet of Florida’s pushback against the spread of data centers may have been Thursday’s Palm Beach County Commission meeting, where officials gave a firm no to a proposed project called “Project Tango” that would have placed a data center using as much electricity as the city of Tallahassee right next to the Everglades.
Project Tango is now the fifth large data center project stopped by Floridians, including Sentinel Grove in St. Lucie, Silver Fox in Martin County, Deltona in Citrus County and Okee-One in Okeechobee.
Several counties have also issued moratoriums for data centers — Leon County, Nassau County, Pasco County, Sarasota County, Citrus County and Jackson County. In Citrus County, where a small town was slated to play host to Florida’s first hyperscale data center, opponents of the project packed the commission and exceeded its overflow room, the Tampa Bay Times reported. The project was canceled.
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The Garden of Eden was perfect; and then Satan got in and messed things up; he does it every time.
Some religions discourage owning a radio, much less a computer. And that's fine. I own both on a small scale.
In my opinion, parents are doing a disservice if they keep their children ignorant on how to use a computer. A young person will be at a tremendous disadvantage entering the U.S. workforce without an ability to use computers.
(Of course, parents need strong guidelines to protect children from dangerous computer misuse.)
If a parent is absolutely certain the world will end in the next five years then computer knowledge is less important for their children.
You are drawing a distinction that does not exist. The military does not build all its own isolated server farms; the government leases secure, dedicated sections inside standard commercial data centers, like AWS GovCloud.
But those stable federal contracts are a drop in the bucket. The current explosion of construction is being driven by private corporations building massive infrastructure to run real-time advertising auctions, harvest consumer data, and fuel an AI speculation bubble.
Nobody is opposing hospitals, schools, or the existing infrastructure for healthcare and e-commerce, which runs perfectly fine on a fraction of the grid.
Your smug ‘vacuum tube’ routine attempting to paint me as a dinosaur is more of a comedy routine than valid criticism. If you actually knew anything about electronic hardware as I do, you would know that CB radios have been completely solid-state and transistor-based for the last fifty years.
Objecting to private corporations consuming an entire county's worth of water and electricity for corporate data harvesting does not mean someone is living in the past. It means they actually understand the physical and economic costs of this infrastructure, while you are still trying to defend it with science-fiction missile scenarios.
Unlike you, I actually understand this technology because I am a regular user of AI services. I use commercial products, run local Large Language Models myself, and use powerful virtual machines provided by cloud services. The specific tasks I run are not power-hungry mass surveillance applications, but they do give me a direct, hands-on reference point for how this computing power actually works. It is unfortunate that your beliefs have been entirely formed by corporate propaganda, but you simply do not have the technical background to realize how badly you have been bamboozled.
That argument completely misunderstands how utility economics work in a supply crisis. Spreading fixed costs across a larger customer base only reduces rates if the utility already has excess capacity sitting idle. That is not the world we live in today.
Data centers represent a massive, sudden demand shock to the grid. Because they consume so much power, utilities are being forced to build brand new substations, high-voltage transmission lines, and expensive new generation plants just to keep the lights on.
Under standard utility regulations, the billions of dollars spent on these massive grid upgrades get passed directly down to captive residential ratepayers. We are seeing the real-world consequences of this right now. Look at Virginia, where residential consumers are being forced to foot the bill for 55 percent of an 8-billion-dollar utility expansion driven entirely by data center demand. Look at Oregon, where the legislature just had to pass an emergency law to hike data center power rates by nearly 30 percent just to shield regular homeowners from skyrocketing bills.
Trying to claim that overloading a strained electrical grid puts downward pressure on prices completely flies in the face of basic supply and demand. Regular consumers are actively subsidizing the infrastructure upgrades required by private tech monopolies, and my wife and my soaring utility bills right here in Western Washington are living proof of it.
fireman15 wrote: “Data centers represent a massive, sudden demand shock to the grid. Because they consume so much power, utilities are being forced to build brand new substations, high-voltage transmission lines, and expensive new generation plants just to keep the lights on.”
Those costs are ultimately paid by the data centers and once paid result in lowered costs for all. Besides those are necessary improvements if we want a robust grid. This is no different than the expansion of any public utility to service real growth. I do not see anyone opposing new homes because they will ultimately require construction of additional sewer systems, roads, and an expanded grid. The opposition to data centers is exactly like the Luddites opposing new factories.
I know. I was referring to my white-face Johnson CB radio.
You are operating with complete ignorance of basic economics and how public utility regulation actually works. Data centers do not pay for all those upgrades. Under standard utility laws, massive capital expenditures like new high-voltage transmission lines and new power plants are added to the utility's ‘rate base,’ meaning the cost is socialized across every single customer on the grid. Captive residential ratepayers are actively paying for the infrastructure that these tech companies require.
Furthermore, comparing a commercial data center to a residential housing development is a ridiculous false equivalence. A single modern AI data center can consume as much electricity as hundreds of thousands of homes combined. When a new housing development goes in, the developers pay connection fees and the new families pay standard rates that naturally fit into steady municipal growth. Data centers represent an unprecedented, overnight demand shock that swallows up entire regional power supplies.
Your ‘Luddite’ label is insulting along with being rooted in the idiocy that you have demonstrated here on multiple occasions. Objecting to families having their monthly utility bills driven up to subsidize the profit margins of multi-trillion-dollar tech corporations is not an opposition to technology. It is an opposition to corporate welfare.”
fireman15 wrote: “You are operating with complete ignorance of basic economics and how public utility regulation actually works. Data centers do not pay for all those upgrades. Under standard utility laws, massive capital expenditures like new high-voltage transmission lines and new power plants are added to the utility’s ‘rate base,’ meaning the cost is socialized across every single customer on the grid. Captive residential ratepayers are actively paying for the infrastructure that these tech companies require.”
You are misrepresenting how that process works. For example, in Florida (the title of this thread), the costs are allocated in proportion to the amount of energy used. BTW, you admitted that one data center can use as much energy as hundreds of thousands of homes meaning that the greatest proportion of the costs fall upon the data centers.
fireman15 wrote: “Your ‘Luddite’ label is insulting along with being rooted in the idiocy that you have demonstrated here on multiple occasions. Objecting to families having their monthly utility bills driven up to subsidize the profit margins of multi-trillion-dollar tech corporations is not an opposition to technology. It is an opposition to corporate welfare.””
The luddite label is completely appropriate since you are making the same arguments made by the Luddites against modernization of factories.
You do realize that without data centers there would be no modern internet which would halt global digital communication, cloud storage, and artificial intelligence development? Data centers are essentially the price of living in the modern world.
Your claim that data centers pay their "proportional share" ignores the fundamental reality of utility ratemaking and capital expenditure:
1. Capital Buildout vs. Kilowatt-Hours
When a massive tech campus connects to the grid, utilities must build new high-voltage transmission lines, major substations, and dedicated peaker plants to handle that concentrated load. Under regulated utility rules, those multi-billion-dollar construction projects are added to the utility's capital "rate base." The utility then recovers those capital costs by raising baseline delivery charges across the entire customer base. Paying for raw electricity by the kilowatt-hour does not cover the long-term infrastructure expansion costs forced onto the local grid.
2. Discounted Industrial Tariffs
Utilities and state commissions regularly award large tech companies special "economic development" rate classes and discounted industrial tariffs to attract them to the area. As a result, these multi-trillion-dollar corporations frequently pay a significantly lower rate per kilowatt-hour than local homeowners, effectively shifting the cost of grid maintenance and capacity upgrades onto residential bills.
3. The False Choice on Technology
Claiming that expecting corporations to pay for their own infrastructure means "stopping the modern internet" is a ridiculous strawman. Nobody is arguing against basic digital infrastructure. The issue is whether tech firms should pay 100% of their own power generation and interconnection costs, or whether local families should be forced to subsidize an irrational speculative buildout through higher utility bills.
Demanding that massive corporations pay their own freight instead of relying on ratepayer-funded corporate welfare is not "Ludditism." It is basic fiscal responsibility.
fireman15 wrote: “The issue is whether tech firms should pay 100% of their own power generation and interconnection costs, or whether local families should be forced to subsidize an irrational speculative buildout through higher utility bills.”
The costs are prorated based upon energy usage as I explained. Go do some research.
Telling people to "do research" while confusing operational energy use with capital infrastructure costs falls apart under basic utility accounting:
1. Volumetric Energy (kWh) vs. Peak Capacity (kW)
Prorating by energy usage only covers variable operational costs, like the fuel burned to generate electricity. But power plants, substations, and high-voltage transmission lines are engineered and built to meet peak capacity demands, not just total kilowatt-hours consumed. A multi-hundred-megawatt facility forces massive physical grid expansions that are not paid off through a standard volumetric energy charge.
2. Rate Base Socialization
Under traditional cost-of-service ratemaking, capital investments for general network transmission upgrades are folded into a utility's overall "rate base." Under historic rate designs, those multi-billion-dollar infrastructure construction costs are spread across all customer classes. That means local homeowners end up paying higher baseline delivery charges on their monthly bills for grid expansion triggered by massive commercial connections.
3. Regulatory Actions Prove the Cost Shift
If costs were automatically and fairly prorated with zero impact on residential ratepayers, utility commissions would not be stepping in. Federal regulators at FERC and state utility commissions across the country have recently been forced to mandate brand new "large-load rate classes" and reform cost-allocation rules specifically because existing utility structures were shifting billions in grid upgrade costs onto general consumers.
Claiming everything is neatly prorated on a monthly electric bill ignores how utility capital accounting operates. The regulatory filings and public rate cases across the country prove otherwise.
Now how does specifically Florida handle these costs?
Here is how utility bills actually work for average folks and seniors in Florida:
1. Paying for Power vs. Paying for New Equipment
When you pay your monthly electric bill, you are paying for the power you burn. But when a massive commercial facility plugs into the grid, the power company has to build brand new substations, heavy-duty power lines, and extra power plants to supply it. In Florida, regulators let power companies add those multi-billion-dollar construction costs right into the baseline rates that every local homeowner and retiree has to pay each month.
2. Sweetheart Deals for Big Industry
Big corporations rarely pay the same rate per kilowatt as a regular family or a senior citizen sitting in a living room in Florida. Power companies regularly give large commercial operations discounted industrial rates to entice them to build in their area. When big companies get a price break on their power, the rest of the fixed cost to keep the grid running gets shifted onto everyday residents.
3. Summer Heat and Power Grid Rules
Florida power companies are required by state rules to keep plenty of extra power capacity ready so the grid does not crash when everyone turns on their air conditioning in August. When huge facilities run non-stop 24 hours a day, power companies are forced to build even more back-up power plants just to meet those state requirements. Guess who pays for those new power plants on their monthly statement? The local residents.
Telling seniors and average people that everything is prorated fairly ignores how electric bills work in the real world. When power companies spend billions expanding the grid for massive commercial users, it is regular folks and retirees living on fixed incomes who end up paying for it on their monthly utility bills.
fireman15 wrote: “Whether we are talking about a big network facility in Miami or a massive tech campus popping up in rural Florida, claiming that everybody just pays their “fair share” on their monthly power bill is simply not how electric companies operate.”
What does the law say for prorating costs in Florida?
Notice what Florida law actually requires versus what you claimed:
1. Florida Law Does Not "Prorate" Capital Costs by Energy Usage
Under Section 366.06, Florida law requires the FPSC to set rates based on formal "cost of service studies" for each customer class. The actual fuel burned is recovered on a separate monthly charge, but major capital investments like new substations, high-voltage transmission lines, and power plants go into the utility's legal "rate base." Those multi-billion-dollar construction costs are spread across customer classes during base rate cases, meaning local homeowners end up paying higher baseline delivery charges to cover grid expansions triggered by large commercial accounts.
2. Florida Law Explicitly Allows Discounted Tariffs for Big Industry
Florida regulatory rules permit utilities to offer specialized Economic Development Riders and discounted industrial rate schedules to large commercial operations. That means Florida regulations literally allow large corporations to pay a lower discounted rate per unit of capacity than what a senior citizen or regular family pays on the standard residential rate schedule.
3. Peak Demand Rules Drive Up Base Rates for Residents
Florida utilities are legally required under state rules to maintain extra reserve capacity so the grid can handle extreme summer cooling peaks. When massive continuous loads draw heavy power 24 hours a day, power companies are forced to construct additional back-up generation capacity to meet those mandatory reserve thresholds. The FPSC allows those construction expenses to be rolled right into base rates paid by local residents and retirees on fixed incomes.
Florida Statute 366.06 does not mandate a simple, equal prorating of long-term grid construction costs by kilowatt-hour usage. It uses class cost-of-service rules and approved rate structures that allow power companies to build massive capital projects and pass the fixed overhead onto local residential utility bills.
Do you deny that utility costs are spread across both consumers and commercial users?
You just admitted the exact point we have been making all along. Here is why spreading those costs out is so unfair to local homeowners and retirees:
1. Socializing Big Tech's Construction Bills
When a massive data center moves into a region, the power company has to build billions of dollars in new power lines, substations, and power plants to handle that gigantic load. Because those construction expenses are spread across all customer classes, the power company adds those bills to everyone's monthly statement. Local residents end up paying higher baseline rates to fund grid upgrades triggered entirely by Big Tech.
2. 24/7 Power Demand vs. Normal Home Use
A regular household uses power in normal daily cycles, like turning on the air conditioning or cooking dinner. A massive data center draws huge amounts of power 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Forcing regular folks to share the bill for the new power generation needed to feed that nonstop demand is a direct subsidy to corporate profit margins.
3. The Real Impact on Seniors
To a multi-trillion-dollar tech corporation, higher power bills are just a minor cost of doing business. But when a utility spreads multi-billion-dollar grid expansion costs onto residential electric bills, it hits seniors and retirees living on fixed incomes right in the pocketbook.
Nobody is denying that costs get spread out. The issue is that local homeowners and retirees should not be forced to share the bill for heavy industrial grid upgrades built specifically to serve giant tech companies.
fireman15 wrote: “Of course costs are spread across both consumers and commercial users. That is literally the entire problem. You just admitted the exact point we have been making all along. Here is why spreading those costs out is so unfair to local homeowners and retirees:”
Why is this any different than spreading any of the costs of new roads, sewage, etc., of new subdivisions? Reminds me of the claims made by local residents against a road providing additional access across local mountain range, “I don’t want my taxes to go for a road to a golf course.” Of course that completely ignored all the new residential and commercial construction in that area. Deny as much as you like but it’s logically the same argument.
Here is why that comparison completely falls apart in the real world:
1. Housing Developers Pay Their Own Impact Fees
When a developer builds a housing subdivision or a road, local laws force them to pay heavy upfront impact fees to cover water, sewer, and road capacity. A homebuilder does not get to stick local seniors and homeowners with the bill for neighborhood streets. With data centers, utilities fold multi-billion-dollar power lines and substation upgrades directly into baseline electric rates, forcing regular folks to fund the buildout.
2. Artificial Demand Driven by Circular Financing
A huge portion of this frantic data center expansion is not driven by genuine, profitable consumer demand, but by a corporate shell game. Giant tech corporations invest billions into AI startups, and those startups are required to spend that exact same money buying cloud processing and chips right back from the tech giant. Both companies turn around and report "record revenue growth" to Wall Street, artificially pumping up their valuations and using those fake numbers to justify building even more unneeded data centers.
3. Roads Last Generations; AI Hardware Goes Obsolete in Years
A public road or sewer system is lasting infrastructure that serves an entire community for 50 or 100 years. By contrast, these speculative server farms run on hardware that becomes functionally obsolete in just a few years. When the circular financing bubble pops and the hype cools off, local utility customers will still be stuck paying off 30-year power company bonds for grid upgrades built for an artificial boom.
4. Privatized Profits, Socialized Stranded Assets
When a real road is built, families move in, pay local property taxes, and support local businesses. In this data center gold rush, multi-trillion-dollar corporations pocket massive short-term stock gains while shifting all the long-term financial risk onto regular citizens. Local retirees on fixed incomes end up paying higher monthly electric bills to underwrite infrastructure for a speculative financial scheme.
A public road built for an entire town is lasting, useful infrastructure. Forcing local seniors and working families to subsidize an artificially inflated corporate buildout is not "logically the same." It is corporate welfare funded by everyday ratepayers.
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