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To: pierrem15

Instead of repeating things you hear and sound good to you, why don’t you try to actually look things up and make sure you have your facts straight.

This is the constitution of Ukraine:

https://rm.coe.int/constitution-of-ukraine/168071f58b

Show me where it says no elections in war?

It says no elections during martial law. Ukraine and in particular Mr. Z and his junta decided to implement martial law in Ukraine.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/24/martial-law-ukraine-russia-attack/6925581001/

Many nations have elections during war. We had elections 1812 (when we were invaded and the capital was sacked), in the civil war, WWI, WWII...

The US is still providing key weapon systems and support for them, Intel, tech personnel, logistics, etc. If we cut Ukraine off, they are screwed.

The key difference is that in 2022 every politician wanted to be seen with Mr. Z and in front of our hardware going down range. In about 2024 public opinion went against the war and now we simply keep the hardware going down range behind the fence in places like Ramstein etc.

Do you think Ukraine has the technicians to keep their F16s (probably very effective in an anti drone role of I had to guess) flying? The Euros do not have the sort of signal and imagery Intel we have? And and and...

Once we pack up and leave, the war is over. The Euros will NOT go it alone. The risk exposure would be to great.

The US is the underwriter for Western security issues when the rubber hits the road. We have the big toys, the strategic assets in force projection and logistics, the nukes, the capabilities to operate in a high threat environment (air) and unconventional warfare means, IC or even just ordinance (bust bunkers, SEAD etc) to pull shit off the Euros can’t even dream of. We have the mass even on land (and we are in reality a maritime and air power, not a ground power) comparable to Germany, France, the UK, Italy and Spain combined. Once we pack up for real, it’s done.

If the Euros “go it alone” (for real) the threat to them becomes excessive and they lack certain capabilities they simply can’t being to the table.


67 posted on 02/18/2026 7:49:13 PM PST by Red6
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To: Red6
You severely over-estimate the current US contribution and severely underestimate European capabilities. The UK and France have enough nukes to annihilate Russia should the need arise. And on conventional arms, for Ukraine the only leading edge tech the US provides are Patriots, and then I'm not even sure they get the latest.

Even on intel the French have their own satellites and they and the Brits fly sigint aircraft similar to ours (or the same models) over the Black Sea. The Europeans also have considerable experience flying F16s and the maintenance crews and parts needed to fix them.

Most of all, you seem to forget Ukraine is not fighting the US, only Russia whose forces are severely deficient in all fields except manpower, which they squander spectacularly. Russia could never even establish air supremacy over Ukraine.

The one area I think you are correct about is political will. There is simply no structure in Europe to force a unified approach, although I think with the proposed changes to the EU to remove the veto they are moving in that direction.

As far as martial law goes, the amount of territory invaded by Russia doesn't make the situation comparable to the US in WWII at all, especially considering the penetration of Ukraine by Russian intel services, including elements of the Russian Orthodox Church and pro-Russia political parties on Putin's payroll. 1812 is even less comparable, as the British did not seize any significant territory but simply launched punitive raids. And during the Civil War Lincoln suspended habaes and had the Copperheads arrested.

Ukraine ultimately has considerable leverage over Europe: collapse would mean Europe flooded with 20 million refugees. It's far cheaper for Europe to keep arming Ukraine.

68 posted on 02/18/2026 9:27:40 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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