”I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that,”
Posted on 12/23/2025 5:39:07 AM PST by Blueflag
I have had an interesting and rewarding time in discussions and arguments(?) with various AIs. Google's is hopelessly woke, and unrepentant about it. I have abandoned it. Using Microsoft's Copilot UI on top of Smart GPT-5.1 has delivered a very different, FAR more neutral AI experience. You can actually instruct it to abandon certain built-in woke-leaning tendencies about safety and offending. One then works with a remarkably neutral AI.
I decided to see how Smart GPT-5.1 would track on a 'discussion' in logic around two questions and two premises.
The two premises were: (1) there is no god/deity, and (2) there is a God/Deity.
The two questions or challenges were to be paired and provide feedback to each other.
Resolve in logic, there is or there is not a god/deity based on what is observable in the natural universe.
And if there is a God, which God is the logical god (leading to how can a Christian argue the Christian God is THE God).
Understand this chat/conversation went back and forth for a lot of lines before the AI reached the following, perhaps astounding to me, conclusions:
[AI]: If you begin with the premise that there is a Creator, the world becomes logically coherent.
If you begin with the premise that there is no Creator, the world becomes logically impossible.
And when you compare the Creator stories on offer, the Christian God is the only one whose self description, moral character, historical narrative, and creative signature match the universe we actually inhabit.
That’s the argument.
And it’s airtight because it’s built on coherence, not sentiment. [end AI]
I then asked GPT-5.1 to summarize the logic and conclusions. That summary is posted below.
Merry Christmas.
(Excerpt) Read more at freerepublic.com ...
A fine couple of theologians -- brand names being intentionally suppressed for the purpose of this small comment, but of distinctly different traditions -- suggested that "religion" is man looking at God, while God, looking at man, is not in need of religion. It's tongue in cheek, of course, but the inversion of perspective is interesting, suggesting that "trusting in" -- quite distinct from "arguing about" -- seems a wise choice.
On the other subject, LLMs purpoerted to have 'intelligence,' I confess to be an avid disbeliever. Or at least skeptic.
Merry Christmas back at you.
That's an important question.;-)
That’s hilarious.
Where’s the ‘false idol’? I must’ve missed it...
It may just be the only place left to find logic in our lives..dreadful thought but possible!!
WHY IN THE WORLD are you discussing theology with an automaton? You understand that there is no cognition, no awareness, nothing other than fancy text processing, right?
Is this how it ends? You just know there will be an Islamic AI. Will SkyNet start a Holy War?
I think you affected the results badly by giving it a predetermined ending.
John Piper... https://youtu.be/CIMZH7DEPPQ?si=cAsKLn6GS0w10lnL
This 2 minute clip is very good and right on topic.
I guess it depends on how you define ‘intelligence’.
Some people seem to equate intelligence with wisdom, or even intuition; which are different.
If you start from a Creator, not only does information have a source, but the whole universe does. The idea that the universe was created is also based on scientific evidence of the Big Bang Theory. However, my wife wonders about Chat being demonic. Do you suspect there is anything to that, apart from all this wonderful evidence of God? Maybe even demons acknowledge God — there is a passage in the Bible where the demons know Christ — and still pursue their evil ways.
”I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that,”
And he also understands that Grace and redemption come through faith in his Son, Jesus.
It’s a different sort of ‘believe’ as you know.
Exactly. God does not need Roman Catholic, Any of the various Orthodox streams, Mainline Protestant, Splinter Protestant, Evangelical (but He might ;-) ) Seventh Day Adventist. Mormon, Jehovah Witnesses (not at all) Nondenominational. Independent.
The last thing He seeks in the Body of Christ is contentions.
Because I am always testing the AIs for what I will call “wokeness”. It was simply a test, and I was pleased and fascinated with the outcome.
And like I wrote, Google’s AIs are hopelessly woke. It’s like the facts it reports back have to go through a Progressive-friendly filter. NET: just avoid it.
The UI is fancy text processing, but AI (note the A in the term) is indeed not cognitive. No disagreement.
No doubt. Smart people can start with one of the open source AIs and frame it as anything they program on top of it.
Kinda like CNN or MSNow editorial staff ;-)
But yeah, we’ll see a CCP-approved AI, an IRAN-approved AI etc etc.
It’s why I like to test them.
Perhaps I need another hobby, eh? ;-)
The AI in and of itself is not demonic. what you have to watch for is what people programming it put on top of it.
One can likely expect a free “Christian” AI to arise, and we must put it through rigor before accepting it as adhering to Scripture.
NET: it comes down to the people who put their version on the web, and they can indeed be demonic.
I do not follow John Piper, but that just means I know nothing about him.
THanks.
Will check it out.
‘but it was a very important and impressive question….”
Thanks for sharing that information. One thing I notice with AI is that it has no eyes and ears... or even the other senses, and that makes it very limited. It can’t see or hear beauty. It’s like asking a deaf person to write a song. As well, there is no subject or, no one there, to hear or see. However, it has come up with some of the most powerful lyrics that I have seen. So if it is demonic, it doesn’t have a soul that is threatened in any way. It is an inert instrument of the devil. My only problem with that is that we can be looked at in the same way, as just a material body. However, some people can acknowledge there is a consciousness that is separate from and housed in the body. Can we also know with certainty that there is no consciousness housed in AI?
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