Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

No text yet.

I may not agree with some of the things Massie does, but this one I could be onboard with depending on what text comes out.

1 posted on 12/10/2025 6:16:56 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Tench_Coxe

Coming from Massie, the text will benefit Deep State.


2 posted on 12/10/2025 6:21:52 AM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away! ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

I thought libertarians were supposed to be against entangling alliances. He’s now running on causing Trump grief.


3 posted on 12/10/2025 6:22:45 AM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

I would be for the idea of this. Massie or not. As you said, the text matters.


4 posted on 12/10/2025 6:23:33 AM PST by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

You can’t bet the text won’t address this in a way that benefits the US...

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11256

Per the above...

“...Section 1250A’s Prohibition of Unilateral Presidential Withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty

In Section 1250A of the 2024 NDAA (found at 22 U.S.C. ยง 1928f), Congress prohibited the President from “suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing] or withdraw[ing] from the North Atlantic Treaty โ€ฆ except by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, provided that two-thirds of the Senators present concur, or pursuant to an Act of Congress.” Congress further prohibited the use of any funds to “support, directly or indirectly, any decision to” withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty without Senate advice and consent or statutory authorization. Although Congress has to some extent regulated the President’s withdrawal from a treaty in the past, Section 1250A is the first statute in which Congress has prohibited unilateral presidential withdrawal from a treaty....”


5 posted on 12/10/2025 6:24:00 AM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away! ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Massie, once again, doing the job of the DEMOCRATS.


6 posted on 12/10/2025 6:24:32 AM PST by BobL (Trusting one's doctor is the #1 health mistake one can make.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Presidential power cannot be over done by law IMO. I wonder what these clowns
Were doing when obummer and bidet were running roughshod over the country.


7 posted on 12/10/2025 6:25:18 AM PST by Mouton (There is a new sheriff and deputy in town now!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: All

George Washington was right about foreign entanglement but I don’t think the President can just withdraw from NATO seeing as congress voted for it in the 1940s and was signed into law.


8 posted on 12/10/2025 6:30:00 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Let’s do this. Then deport all the third worlders running the goofyass UN Babykillers.


12 posted on 12/10/2025 6:50:04 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Freedom isn't Free. Socialism isn't free either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe
Not Constitutional. As Massie should know, the Constitution limits Congress' role regarding treaties to Senate approval.

That's by design, as the Founders were very aware of examples such as the battle of Blenheim, where substantial Dutch forces were often ineffective because they needed to send couriers back to the city councils that sent them for permission to act.

Apart from Senate approval, there's simply no Constitutional authority granted to Congress over treaties or the disposition of forces. The Boland Amendment in the 1980s is a good example of Congress' farcical attempt to use its budget authority to take command of US forces.

More useless grandstanding by Massie.

13 posted on 12/10/2025 6:51:59 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

I don’t think it will matter because I don’t think even come close to passing.


14 posted on 12/10/2025 6:53:17 AM PST by FreedomForce
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Along with this we should evict the current tenants at 405 East 42nd St. after we get out of the UN.


18 posted on 12/10/2025 7:26:26 AM PST by ssapro (SSAPRO/ EXBP)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Meanwhile...

Basil the Great
@BasilTheGreat

๐ŸšจEU PRESIDENT URSULA VON DER LEYEN ANNOUNCES MORE IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING TO EUROPE

To prevent illegal crossings she says we must open “new and safe legal pathways to Europe”

And they’re opening an office in India to connect European businesses with Indian migrants directly

If we don’t stop her, there won’t be a Europe left
These traitors are determined to destroy this continent

9:05 AM ยท Dec 10, 2025 13.8K Views

https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/1998755867617906778


19 posted on 12/10/2025 7:33:49 AM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away! ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

Grandstanding waste of time. But thatโ€™s Massie.


20 posted on 12/10/2025 7:47:40 AM PST by bigbob (We are all Charlie Kirk now)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Tench_Coxe

For what its worth (which ain’t much) this is what Google Gemini says would be the process. All in all, difficult to get thru the DC bureaucracy - and 1 year waiting period. I also asked Grok AI. It gave a simpler answer: “Nuke Brussels”. lol... I’d say the easiest and cheapest way is to just stop supply quality weapons and training - slowly reduce under the radar. Then start “accidentally” delaying payments. Wouldn’t be much of NATO left after 5 years of that would there?

“๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Potential Steps for US Withdrawal from NATO

The process for the US to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) involves both a provision within the treaty itself and a significant, unresolved conflict over the US President’s constitutional authority versus recent statutory restrictions put in place by Congress.

Here are the steps that would be involved and the legal complexities:

1. Formal Treaty Withdrawal Step
The first formal step is dictated by the North Atlantic Treaty itself.
Provide a Notice of Denunciation: The President, or an official acting under the President’s direction, must deliver a formal Notice of Denunciation to the Government of the United States of America, which is the depositary state for the Treaty. This is outlined in Article 13 of the Treaty.

One-Year Waiting Period: The withdrawal would not be immediate. Article 13 states that the withdrawal takes effect one year after the notice is given.
2. The Constitutional/Statutory Conflict
This is the most contested and difficult part of the process, as Congress has explicitly acted to restrict the President’s unilateral power to withdraw from NATO.

The Presidential Argument (Unilateral Action)
Executive Power over Treaties: The executive branch, particularly the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), has historically argued that the President, as the sole authority in conducting foreign policy and communicating with foreign governments, has the exclusive constitutional power to terminate a treaty in accordance with its terms.

Precedent: This argument is supported by the fact that US Presidents have unilaterally withdrawn from numerous treaties in the past (e.g., President Trump withdrawing from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; President Carter withdrawing from the Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan).

The Assertion: A President could assert this authority and give the one-year notice of denunciation, arguing that the congressional restriction is an unconstitutional infringement on the executive’s foreign relations power.
The Congressional Barrier (The 2024 NDAA)

The Restriction: In the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2024, Congress enacted a provision (Section 1250A) that prohibits the President from suspending, terminating, denouncing, or withdrawing the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty unless it is done:

By and with the advice and consent of the Senate (with two-thirds of the Senators present concurring), OR
Pursuant to an Act of Congress.

Limitation on Funds: The statute also prohibits the use of appropriated funds to support such a withdrawal without this congressional authorization.
The Conflict: If a President proceeds with the one-year notice without the required approval from the Senate or Congress, they would be acting in direct violation of this federal statute.

3. Potential Legal and Political Consequences
A President’s decision to withdraw unilaterally would likely trigger an immediate confrontation:

Judicial Challenge: Members of Congress would likely file a lawsuit to challenge the withdrawal as unconstitutional and illegal for violating the NDAA statute.
Uncertain Legal Outcome: The Supreme Court has historically avoided ruling on the merits of who holds the power to terminate treaties (most famously in Goldwater v. Carter), often classifying it as a non-justiciable “political question.” However, violating an explicit statute like the NDAA could make the courts more willing to intervene and rule on the President’s authority.

Congressional Response: Beyond a lawsuit, Congress could take other actions, such as refusing to fund the restructuring of US global defense posture outside of NATO, or using the appropriations power to put immense pressure on the executive branch.

In summary, for President Trump to successfully withdraw the US from NATO, the steps are:

Formally deliver the one-year Notice of Denunciation.
Either secure the approval of two-thirds of the Senate or an Act of Congress (which Congress has legislatively required), OR
Unilaterally defy the existing statute and endure the high political and legal consequences, including a potential Supreme Court challenge that would seek to invalidate the action.

The most successful path, avoiding a constitutional crisis, would be to secure the required congressional approval, but the path of unilateral executive action remains a possibility, though one that places the President at the “lowest ebb” of constitutional authority because it directly conflicts with an Act of Congress.”


21 posted on 12/10/2025 8:58:17 AM PST by Battlestar (Tired of transgenders, drug addicts, and mentally ill taking over our streets, schools, government)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson