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1 posted on 11/25/2025 3:05:56 PM PST by libh8er
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How dare anyone insult the U.S.’ leader like that?


2 posted on 11/25/2025 3:09:39 PM PST by nickcarraway
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I still think Putin pissed Hillary and Obama off when they had their great big “reset” meeting and Putin wouldn’t go along with it so they decided to show Putin who’s boss and get Ukraine into NATO.

Then when Putin played hardball and invaded Hillary and Obama played it safe and let him have it, lest they start a war in an election year. Likely the plan was that once Hillary was in office she’d send in the troops to show how she was such a powerful leader.

The whole thing has been mismanaged from the start. If we really DID care about Putin’s invasion given all the rhetoric we should’ve had boots on the ground in the beginning rather than feed Zelensky traditional ammo and withhold the big guns because the USSR has more able bodied men for soldiers vs Ukraine. It was just a matter of time that Ukraine wuold succumb to attrition and losses that they couldn’t recharge.


3 posted on 11/25/2025 3:18:27 PM PST by Skywise
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It is because of flawed US leadership that he had to do what he did.


5 posted on 11/25/2025 3:38:15 PM PST by nwrep
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“read my lips, no new taxes”


6 posted on 11/25/2025 3:38:39 PM PST by mitchjackson1972
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Evolvilng statements follow evolving realities.

Shoud we keep the conflict going in your opinion?

That is what has resulted in the evolving statements, and is the result of statements that were said in earnest at the time, but later evolved.

The final result just might see Russia invading far deeper into Europe. Not something that Russia wants to do at this point in time, but keep pushibg the envelope, and they may decide that they have no other option. As was the case with the evolving statements you presented here in this post.

This could have easily been avoided by removing the offer of Ukraine membership into NATO.

You brilliant strategists, still refuse to admit that starting this conflict was a major mistake that could have, and should have, been defused before it got started, but that wasn't the plan from the onset. It was to goad Russia into invading. But the drum march towards making Uraine a NATO member only increased in intensity as the time marched on.

Russia was faced with the decision as the push accelerated for NATO expansion into Ukraine, and decided that he no longer had the opportunity to seek a peaceful resolution, unless they did invade, which is exactly what was wanted, because then they could convince us that Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation. Even that act failed to bring the response they had hoped for all along, sincere talks to bring about a peaceful resolution.

7 posted on 11/25/2025 3:49:30 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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How about US leaders “evolved” position wrt Russian interests:

“Not one inch further East”

“We support the Minsk Process”

“The United States has no strategy of regime change for Russia,”

https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/11/russian-pranksters-posing-as-ukraines-ex-leader-call-former-french-president-francois-holl


9 posted on 11/25/2025 3:56:13 PM PST by Reverend Wright (Anschluss now !)
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Now do one where you show all the times the U.S. and west in general have changed their statements on all sorts of things including how NATO would not expand to the very doorstep of Russia, how Ukraine would honor the Minske agreement, etc….


11 posted on 11/25/2025 4:22:47 PM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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Things changed from before and after the CIA coup in Ukraine.


12 posted on 11/25/2025 4:28:48 PM PST by McGruff
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I’m hoping globalist, neo-marxist governments in the EU collapse. Particularly in the UK.

They are the biggest threat to Western Civilization, and the United States, that exists.

Maybe losing badly in Ukraine will help spur that revolution.


15 posted on 11/25/2025 4:46:01 PM PST by PGR88
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