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FORMULA 1 MSC Cruises UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2025 Live Thread.
Carriage Hill ^ | 10.16.2025 | Carriage Hill

Posted on 10/16/2025 3:57:44 PM PDT by Carriage Hill

FORMULA 1 MSC Cruises UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2025.

Circuit: COTA (Circuit Of The Americas), First Grand Prix: 2012, Number of Laps: 56, Circuit Length: 5.513 km, Race Distance: 308.728km, Lap Record: 1:36.169 Charles Leclerc (2019)

Race: Sunday, October 21, 3:00PM ET


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Sports
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To: BBB333

Correction: Six engine manufacturers:

* Mercedes-Benz Group (Mercedes, McLaren, Williams, Alpine as of 2026)
* Ferrari (Ferrari, Haas, Cadillac until 2028)
* Volkswagen (Audi — currently Sauber — as of 2026)
* Ford (Red Bull, Racing Bulls both as of 2026)
* Honda (Aston Martin as of 2026)


* General Motors (Cadillac as of 2029)

Google, HP, IBM, and other tech sponsors now face being blocked by Apple in promoting F1. Google won’t be allowed to promote McLaren in the United States because Apple will block them while permitted in other nations.

I see Apple’s tactics to block opposition in promotional abilities will be coming.

A Congressional investigation will likely be coming into F1 and FIFA.


21 posted on 10/17/2025 1:06:45 PM PDT by WhiteHatBobby0701
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To: Carriage Hill

The FIA is creating a kill switch for 2026 to prevent a repeat of 2014. It’s called Additional Development and Upgrade Opportunities (ADUO). What it is, is an admission that Mercedes’ run of seven consecutive WCCs and WDCs (beginning in 2014) was as much due to the FIA’s screw-up as it was to Mercedes’ brilliance.

Which, by extension, is also an admission that Lewis Hambone isn’t the greatest driver since Ben Hur, but he is the luckiest driver in the history of F1. More’s the pity there won’t be an asterisk next to his name in the history books, like there is next to Roger Maris’ 1961 baseball season.

2009 was a sterling example of how F1 SHOULD WORK in a sane universe. Brawn Racing showed up with a dominant car by virtue of its innovative “double diffuser.” However, Button took his last pole of the season at the 6th race and by the 7th, RBR had a double diffuser that was better than Ross Brawn’s. By the final third of the season, McLaren-Mercedes also had a double-diffuser at least as good as Brawn’s and Button struggled to keep pace. If it weren’t for Vettel having three DNFs to Button’s one, Vettel probably would have taken WDC and Red Bull WCC.

The next four seasons were RBR on a tear, not because the regulations limited development of all the other teams but because only one team had an Adrian Newey designing their double diffuser. And the cream rose to the top, as it should.*

But it took eight seasons for anyone to catch Mercedes (and not for nothing it was Adrian Newey’s team what done it), not for lack of ingenuity but because of the FIA’s absurdly restrictive ‘Token’ system for limiting development and updates.

“ADUO” will allow the FIA to subjectively decide to grant backmarker teams an increase in their spending cap and extra time with PU bench testing, and to make changes to the homologation regulations that reflect the results of the teams’ research.

And what THAT is, dear friends, is socialism posting as motor sport, all so the FIA can promote their radical environmentalist agenda.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-introduces-additional-development-upgrade-opportunities-aduo-f1-2026

*You also might well argue that RBR’s dominance 2010-14 were the FIA’s screw-up, too, because RBR protested Brawn’s double-diffuser because Newey already had considered it and believed it was prohibited by the TR. When the FIA decided to the contrary, Newey opened a large can of whoo-pass on the rest of the field.


22 posted on 10/17/2025 2:43:07 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Carriage Hill
Apple revs up for F1 rights: Here's what to know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69kNlzWCj9U

23 posted on 10/17/2025 3:51:43 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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This is too delicious.

Stunned Hamilton asks Ferrari 'what happened' in unbroadcast US GP radio

...Hamilton’s time of a 1:33.035 was nearly nine-tenths behind polesitter Max Verstappen. In addition to some of his traditional rivals, he was outpaced by midfield drivers like Nico Hulkenberg, Fernando Alonso and Carlos Sainz.

It was particularly damning to be four-tenths behind the high-flying Sauber of Hulkenberg. The Swiss team are a Ferrari engine customer....


...“What happened?” Hamilton asked Riccardo Adami in an unbroadcast radio message. “How are we, all of a sudden, so far off?”...

________________________________________________________

Notice how selective they are, not airing radio messages when he's whimpering.

I hope Vasseur keeps a bag packed. He might have to exfil in haste when the Ferrari tifosi come after him with the tar and feathers.

24 posted on 10/17/2025 6:43:06 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: SmokingJoe

Great interview. Many thanks.


25 posted on 10/17/2025 6:44:09 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: BBB333
Dang.

Not what I want.

Thanks for the info.

26 posted on 10/17/2025 8:08:15 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: Carriage Hill

Of possible interest:

Live Timing Dashboard

https://f1-dash.com/dashboard

*Thanks Carriage Hill for posting this thread. Much appreciated.


27 posted on 10/18/2025 9:33:33 AM PDT by bugseye
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To: Carriage Hill

An my don’t the racing gods have a wicked sense of humor?


28 posted on 10/18/2025 10:07:44 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: bugseye

I hadn’t seen that F1 graphic before. Many thanks!


29 posted on 10/18/2025 10:13:37 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Carriage Hill

Sprint Race Results:

VER RUS SAI HAM LEC ALB TSU ANT LAW GAS BOR HAD HUL COL BEA OCO (contact, L16) STR (contact, L16), PIA (contact, L1), NOR (contact, L1), ALO (contact, L1)

POINTS: PIA 336 NOR 314 VER 281 RUS 244 LEC 177

Time of Race: 0:37:55.829
Margin of Victory: Under Caution
Lap Leaders: Verstappen 1-19
Cautions: 2 for 9 Laps (1-5, Contact ALO HUL NOR PIA Turn 1, 16-19, Contact STR OCO Turn 1)
Leaders: 1


30 posted on 10/18/2025 12:30:35 PM PDT by WhiteHatBobby0701
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Change of time:

“Race: Sunday, October 21, 3:00PM ET”

now to

Race: Sunday, October 21, 5:00PM ET


31 posted on 10/18/2025 2:25:32 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Carriage Hill

Still 2 PM local time, says Speedcafe. (Apple’s ability to restrict media means we’ll likely be reading Aussie press, as CBS Sports has Australian GP rights while DAZN there gets all other races.)

1 1 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing 1:33.207 1:32.701 1:32.510 14
2 4 Lando Norris McLaren 1:33.843 1:32.876 1:32.801 20
3 16 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:33.525 1:32.869 1:32.807 17
4 63 George Russell Mercedes 1:33.311 1:33.058 1:32.826 19
5 44 Lewis Hamilton Ferrari 1:33.685 1:32.914 1:32.912 18
6 81 Oscar Piastri McLaren 1:33.746 1:33.228 1:33.084 19
7 12 Kimi Antonelli Mercedes 1:33.501 1:33.044 1:33.114 18
8 87 Oliver Bearman Haas F1 Team 1:33.921 1:33.238 1:33.139 19
9 55 Carlos Sainz Williams 1:33.739 1:33.124 1:33.150 20
10 14 Fernando Alonso Aston Martin 1:33.741 1:33.237 1:33.160 18
11 27 Nico Hulkenberg Kick Sauber 1:33.551 1:33.334 14
12 30 Liam Lawson Racing Bulls 1:33.549 1:33.360 14
13 22 Yuki Tsunoda Red Bull Racing 1:33.935 1:33.466 13
14 10 Pierre Gasly Alpine 1:33.599 1:33.651 14
15 43 Franco Colapinto Alpine 1:34.039 1:34.044 14
16 5 Gabriel Bortoleto Kick Sauber 1:34.125 8
17 31 Esteban Ocon Haas F1 Team 1:34.136 8
18 18 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1:34.540 7
19 23 Alexander Albon Williams 1:34.690 9
RT 6 Isack Hadjar Racing Bulls 2


32 posted on 10/18/2025 4:02:48 PM PDT by WhiteHatBobby0701
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"...Race: Sunday, October 21, 5:00PM ET

The back straight at COTA runs about 262° True.

At 5pm tomorrow in Austin, the azimuth to the sun will be about 242° and it will be about 23° above the horizon. That's slightly less (for the average man) than the width of the Hawaiian "Shaka brah" sign (AKA, "hang loose, mongoose")* held at arm's length.

At 6pm it will be at 252° and 11° above the horizon. That's a skosh more than the width of your clinched fist at arm's length.

I foresee complications brewing.


* Not to be confused with 'Hook 'em Horns.'

33 posted on 10/18/2025 4:42:18 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Whoops! My bad. I overlooked the "ET."

Nevermind.


34 posted on 10/18/2025 4:47:22 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

There is no “I” in Team America!

“Yes there is.”


Nevermind...


35 posted on 10/18/2025 5:02:00 PM PDT by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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Martin Brundle, commenting while showing in-car video of Lando Norris exiting from turns:

“Just listen to this, ... I’ll tell you what, he’s nowhere near as urgently back on the throttle as when we were on board with Max Verstappen.”

F1 Oversteer writer:

“Just last month at Monza, Brundle remarked that Verstappen was ‘delayed’ in getting back in on the throttle. It’s noteworthy that Red Bull seem to have remedied that weakness.”

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/martin-brundle-heard-something-in-lando-norris-onboard-that-explains-max-verstappens-title-charge/


36 posted on 10/18/2025 5:28:40 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: WhiteHatBobby0701

I’m now seeing it 15:00, or 3:00pm.


37 posted on 10/18/2025 8:22:12 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: WhiteHatBobby0701

“Apple’s ability to restrict media means we’ll likely be reading Aussie press”


My guess is that Apple will not do ANYTHING except provide the official F1 feeds...

The Late, Great Sir Chode always streamed the F1 feeds.

WHB0701 thanks for posting the results!


38 posted on 10/19/2025 5:22:19 AM PDT by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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To: Carriage Hill

formula1.com is showing it 53 minutes to start, at 7 minutes past the hour. Looks like 3:00 Eastern.


39 posted on 10/19/2025 11:08:18 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

You’re right.
F1.com’s site changed the start time.


40 posted on 10/19/2025 4:20:21 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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